Are people really asking what it means...

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Lots of posts on here asking what "stay alert" means. Surely these people are not really that thick to ask what it mean

The issue with employers is all part of the changes though. Some employers will also apply common sense and make all adjustments necessary to get as many staff back to work safely as possible. Some won't. But that isn't anyone's fault but theirs.

How is that any difference to the law prior to Covid. Employers had a legal responsibility to comply with all the numerous laws - H&S of their staff & customers, disability discrimination, etc etc. They've now got to comply with a few new laws re social distancing, PPE, etc. No one says it's easy, but employers should already be accustomed to complying, and bearing the risks if they don't!

Do we really expect he Government to keep paying people to not work until a vaccine comes out? That will probably be next year! Surely people understand how the NHS is funded? Via taxation on wages?
We have protected the vulnerable for 7 weeks now and those vulnerable poor people who don't have the luxury of unlimited WIFI, gardens, laptops, kitchen tables for lovely middle class bread making and home schooling sessions... they struggling and in some cases starving. They need to get out and get structure again. For many of us able to order food online and visit our elderly parents with food parcels, we live in a bubble. For many people losing your grip on your mental health is more scary than losing your physical health.

It’s like everything else. You MUST do this. Unless you can’t do this, then it’s ok to do that. But if you get it, it’s only because you didn’t do THIS. You were warned, after all.

Not sure what this means? Didn't do what? Warned about what? The information will be on the gov site, like it was before. Does everything have to been spoon fed to people.

If you can work safely or travel independently/use public transport safely then return to work, unless you work in hospitality. What is it you're having trouble understanding? What is it you would do differently?

There is no cure or vaccine for this virus. People are going to have to adapt and get on with it. Theres no point complaining about government and science. There is not going to be a general election anytime soon. Why not just get with it?

@kazzy that's pretty much how I understood it.

Once the guidelines are published employers will know what to their additional responsibilities are.

So no change yet... But get ready to go back to work, safely?

No good keep saying use common sense if you have an employer saying you have to go back to work or lose your job and yet hasn't made your workplace safe to do so. Or you have to use public transport and you live in a city is it?

Are you all saying that suddenly all employers are going to become caring and responsible people? I bet a lot of them will stay home while forcing their employees to go into work or likely have their own office so can stay out of their workers' way

H+S and those new guidelines may hold the answer to what to do if you have a crap employer.

But, again, nobody has been told to go to work this morning... unless they were already working, as so very many people have been throughout!

There is no cure or vaccine for this virus. People are going to have to adapt and get on with it. Theres no point complaining about government and science. There is not going to be a general election anytime soon. Why not just get with it?

Get on with what? UK has one of the highest death tolls in the world, so whatever we have been "getting on with" is clearly not working.

Really don't know why you think we have to adapt to live with this virus (which really means you'll catch it eventually) when other countries have shown a way forward that means as far as possible, CV is eradicated.
Johnson has gone back to herd immunity.

If anyone thinks the H&S at Work Act is going to save them from a bad employer, you are living in a parallel universe.

Even NHS workers without adequate PPE have had no recourse to law, despite many dying, Hancock said "it cannot be proved where they caught it" same with bus drivers.

Get on with what? UK has one of the highest death tolls in the world, so whatever we have been "getting on with" is clearly not working.

It's a virus, not a senior Tory cabinet member.

We have a high death toll, especially in England, because we live in one the most populous regions in western Europe. Do you think a Labour government would have handled this much differently and if so, how? Not used the same science based strategy?

So we get on with what scientist, across the world, are telling us. What else is there?

Most governments across the world are doing the same thing anyway. Locked down at the same rate of infection, using the same methods of quarantine.

Really don't know why you think we have to adapt to live with this virus (which really means you'll catch it eventually) when other countries have shown a way forward that means as far as possible, CV is eradicated.

So what else is there to do but adapt and learn to live with the virus? Its here, it's not going away. We cant build rocket ships and escape to Mars. We have no choice

Which other countries are you talking about?

Belgium, Italy, and probably Spain, have more deaths per capita than the UK. Do you mean them?

Has everyone forgotten what per capita means?

Johnson has gone back to herd immunity.

Every country in the world wants herd immunity. Herd Immunity has not even been mentioned by Boris once. Probably because most people misunderstand, or twist, the meaning of the term

In terms of death rate (deaths per million people) I understand that we are third in the world, and probably rising (as is the US), just behind Spain and Italy.

This has Cumming's grubby little hands all over it - but it's not a nudge but a kick. Basically saying get back to work and good luck with avoiding the virus.

Bool We’ll have to agree to disagree. It was a shockingly presented load of vague waffle which allows the goto abdicate responsibility.Ots not even based on support for the economy; tennis is OK if you ego in the clubhouse but sitting in granny’s large garden isn’t?

It’s about pandering to the Tory faithful, lining the pockets of the wealthy Tory donors and screwing the poor workers.

@Whatsthis1515 so agree . People choosing to not understand yet for weeks mn seems to of been full of wannabe virologists , scientists etc but can't understand what's been advised today

ITN news main headline just on - that the message was confused and confusing. Supported by a UCL professor of intensive care medicine.

Do you think a Labour government would have handled this much differently and if so, how? Not used the same science based strategy?

Irrelevant, the Cons are in power.

So we get on with what scientist, across the world, are telling us. What else is there?

We don't know what the Govt is following as they don't publish the scientific advice.
However, given what Johnson has done and what his govt is doing, its very different from most govt's. 40k community tests only, yet they know the R rate? really!

They cannot even accept an app developed with help from apple and google, instead developing one that wont work with older phones and only checks two CV symptoms.

The science is published. Has been for a while

www.gov.uk/government/groups/scientific-advisory-group-for-emergencies-sage-coronavirus-covid-19-response

That's a .gov.uk site, just I'm case you can't preview it.

Looks like they have ignored a lot of this advice and much of it is on social behaviors.
But it does not explain why the UK has steered its own course on CV response, not least its decision to in all intents and purposes to lift restrictions now, something no country has done so early after a slowing of deaths/infections.

I 'm not sure they have ignored it. They are just relying on other bits, like the behaviourists. They told us that a couple of weeks ago.

I suspect we have far more information than many other countries (I'd check but am not particularly good at languages). This gives us a lot to pick at, a good distraction technique in and of itself!

As for lifting of lockdown restrictions... nobody knows that! And it will take 2 weeks for any changes to be noted and another 2 weeks to see if any re locking down works.

What happens in Germany will be interesting. Given their pharmaceutical and biotech industries they really had a big head start on us, and many other countries as far as testing. And their health service spend too. Those are the big lessons to be learned. Not all the decisions and strategies that came later here because of those differences but the basic reality: we have lost our manufacturing base and have deprived too many of our essentail services of funding.

Regardless of which political party is in power that has continued to happen! Now, regardless of which party we prefer, we need to ensure that a root and branch change is started.

Meantime we can only do what we can do. Hope our elected representatives and headline crazy journalists can keep the questions real and meaningful and stop fannying around with point scoring blather!

Our Biotech and Pharma is bigger than Germany's, only they were told far earlier to assist.

WHO recommended that returnees were quarantined, we did that for a while and then we stopped, exactly the same with track/testing. We need more public health experts on SAGE.

Sure we all have our own political beliefs but what cannot be ignored is 10 years of austerity and not acting on Cygnus, even J.Hunt says the handling of this pandemic will be the biggest failure of public health policy ever and he will have his share of blame too!

As for the lifting of restrictions? its too earlier, too many new infections, we have no community testing in place, no tracing/tracking and even the app isn't yet proven.
The virus is still there, as people mix more, its spread will widen and we'll have to re impose restrictions or accept the deaths.