So basically the government are removing themselves?

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So Boris has just tweeted what I presume is going to be announced later. To me it is the government removing the responsibility from themselves so that they can blame to public when a second wave occurs. All very vague and unhelpful!

@Xenia totally agree

@Dollyditzy Isn't it 7pm?

Xenia your definition of greater good differs to mine then. Greater good for me means keeping people safe and not recklessly endangering lives.

@Stellaris22 I wouldn't worry about @Xenia she has very questionable views at the best of times... you only have to search what she's said in the past to see that

I think crashing the economy into a 3rd-world state with double-digit unemployment would recklessly endanger more lives than this virus....

@BeijingBikini if we get a second wave and a second lockdown we will be much worse off then keeping what is currently in place

Some people seem to think that causing other deaths is acceptable if it reduces the numbers dying from Covid-19. Unfortunately for these people the government realise that they have to balance the risk of Covid-19 against the risks of keeping the county in lock down which are almost certainly greater than first thought due to the numbers of businesses choosing to shut down which the government would have preferred to stay open. It has now gotten to the point where getting these, low risk, businesses back open is more important than the risk of a few people not being able to understand the new message which is designed, in the most part, to get people to do the things that were always permitted rather than easing restrictions. At the same time is has become apparent that some of the restrictions around limiting exercise to once a day were probably causing more issues than they were solving and were causing headaches for the police in terms of call volumes that were preventing them from dealing with the actually high risk violations.

@BeijingBikini Absolutely agree.

Know there's one tonight at 7pm but can't see there's any on at 5pm next week . Well there none on the sky planner . Strange !

Bloody Twitter! I was lookiing forward to hearing what Boris has to say for myself at 7 and now i may as well not bother to watch it!

I was hoping for something clear that wasn't about people interpreting it. I live in Devon, our Chief Constable doesn't agree with the advice the police college gave so here the interpretation is harsher than most, local woman sent home for taking a walk with her dog, told to take the dog home and exercise in the garden.

I don't want him to be making his own decisions about what we can do but it looks like this gives him lots of scope.

@Stellaris22 actually democracy is a political system loosely based on a philosophical concept called utilitarianism

• greatest happiness to the greatest number so @Xenia is totally right

People are also seemingly failing to grasp that the lock down is unlikely to have had any large scale effects on the number of cases in care homes, as the vast majority of the transmission in care homes in within the home rather than from external sources. The only way to have prevented a large scale outbreak in care homes would have been to have the staff shield whenever they were not at work, and if they want to reduce the level of outbreaks in homes this remains the only option. Furthermore, very few care home residents are medically in a condition that invasive treatment would be appropriate and in many cases hospital treatment of any kind would not be beneficial meaning that care home outbreaks have little impact on NHS resources. The combination of all of this means that there is little point at looking at the situation in care homes when evaluating what measures are needed in wider society.

@Dollyditzy
The daily press conferences have never gone into the schedule before the actual day. It is easier from a broadcasters point of view to assume that there will not be a conference and schedule something else than to assume and schedule the conference in case it doesn't take place for whatever reason.

Short of locking is up completely, I’m not sure what you want them to do or say?

Be sensible and follow the guideline. That’s all we can do.

The high risk groups should absolutely stay indoors and get financial help etc and get help ie shopping delivery slots etc... but the average person shouldn’t have to stay locked up for the next year 🙄

They removed responsibility from themselves on DAY ONE when they roped in Baldy and his NHS colleagues and said they would be guided by the (clueless) scientists I saw Sir Patrick Vallance being questioned by the Health Select Committee. Was very interesting on the "led by science" thing. He said he couldn't think of one issue where SAGE had given the govt one single option, he said there was always a range, so 2, 3 or 4 "What ifs" and then the govt decided.

They were advised by science, not led by it.

I kind of think nice now the peak has passed Boris is saying, OK I’m leaving it up to you, if you want to go mixing and catching it, we can cope at the hospitals now, get infected, die, herd immunity, whatever. If you are really concerned about yourself and your family then stay home, take care, look after yourselves and you will be ok.

You pays your money, you take your choices.

Those of us that understand the risks, that work with frontline staff, that appreciate key workers, that want our families to live, will take it just a little bit easier.

Those pricks that don’t give a fuck will carry on, and lets hope they and their friends and family that condone their behaviour are the next wave of casualties.

I genuinely think that will happen.

Where is the throwing up my hands in despair and saying fuck it emoticon? Fuck it. I did not understand all you people who voted Brexit and I don't understand all you people who so desperately need to be 'liberated'. Fine. Your need to see your mum/ dad/ sis/ do diy/ open the economy is more important that containing the spread of a global pandemic unlike anything we've seen in 100 years. Fine. Maybe we'll overtake America and get top of the leader board.

I will watch with the same stunned incomprehension as I did Brexit.

THIS 👌🏻very well put @Mynydd

@Whenwillthisbeover but what if ‘those pricks ‘ have had the virus and aren’t spreading it ?

I agree with it. Allow us to use our common sense. Stop treating us like children.

Sounds like lockdown is lifted. Just be sensible.

Thing is, the government can't please everyone so this is their way of easing lockdown without having to tell people to go back to work! They are leaving employers to make that decision.

Hope he gives some information about schools because obv a majority of people can't go back to work it schools remain closed!

Everyone has been told how it spreads

Everyone was told why we had the lockdown to prepare

Surely you have the common sense to still try and avoid the virus it has not gone away .

There are thousands of different circumstances out there and a lot of people were ignoring the rules anyway .

It’s a no win situation.

Employers that can must be very careful to make the work environment as safe as is possible.

just to prove my point on another thread poster sayhing lockdown is over

i giveup

Most of us do make sensible decisions about managing our risks and the risks for the people around us from the consequences of our actions. But only most of us. I'm not sure that I'm comfortable with the risk assessment skills or social responsibility levels of the people who cleared the shelves of bog roll back in the beginning, and who have since taken up wearing facemasks and gloves in utterly unnecessary and inappropriate situations, which they then casually dump in the gutters. I am a White Van Woman, I have continued to work every day bar one since this all kicked off. The inside of my vehicle is clean, so are all the door handles, and I have a mobile soap and water hand washing station for use between all stops and a soapy spray and cloth for any gates etc I may have to touch. I am constantly amazed at seeing people driving alone in vehicles wearing masks and gloves. What precisely do they think they are protecting themselves from??? And I am utterly disgusted at the number of gloves and masks just thrown away in car parks or on verges. Too many people think vaguely that wearing a mask protects them. Unless it is extremely high quality, no it doesn't. It may help protect other people from you, that's about it. And wearing the same pair of gloves as you waft around touching one thing then another and then another does nothing to reduce viral spread.

then Boris should not have posted this from his official account before his address at 7 Exactly, he also shouldn't have teased everyone with his announcement of an announcement on Wednesday.

He's like an over excited toddler.