So basically the government are removing themselves?

[princesstwinkle]

So Boris has just tweeted what I presume is going to be announced later. To me it is the government removing the responsibility from themselves so that they can blame to public when a second wave occurs. All very vague and unhelpful!

The slogan can’t be “stay home” if we’re allowed to go to B&Q.

Unless you want the slogan to be “stay home but you can go to B&Q and have a nice daily walk”

@etinox love it !

test 1 capacity in NHS only 33% of ICU beds plenty of space test passed

test 2. the death rate per day is significantly down the highest 7 day rolling average was 950 around 10th april, yesterday it was about 540 about a 45% drop and obviously on a continuous downward curve test passed

test3 . rate of infection dropping it is dropping but maybe not enough under 0.9 but perhaps not far enough test passed but only just and very fragile

test 4 testing and PPE again fragile just about enough but very little room for flexibility in system yet again ??? pass but borderline

test 5 confident it will not led to a second wave peak well I think this in the realm of guestimate probably not a pass but maybe ok as spare capacity germany has seen a small rise in new infections and R but deaths very low just 40 yesterday so not likely to be overwhelmed

I think people do know what stay alert means particularily when explained but it is the job of opposition to crititise

@Lalalaboring hahahahahah

I think ‘keep calm and carry on’ needs to be added.

@princesstwinkle yes but the point is that the German people seem to understand the concepts involved . Yes their cases have gone up but people are not necessarily blaming the government they understood that this was always going to be ‘suck it and see’ and that the advice was going to be nuanced and they would have to use their own judgement to adjust their behaviour.

In this country we seem to alternate between wanting to be told what to do and complaining that we are not going to be told what to do by ‘experts’

(afaik)
The PM likes being called 'Boris': it's his brand. He doesn't feel demeaned by that although maybe the readers feel demeaned being expected to use the single name. He changed to using the single name when he was at Uni iirc. His within-Johnson-family name is 'Al', what he was called all the time growing up, supposedly, his siblings sometimes blanch when asked about their brother by someone who uses 'Boris': it's not how they even think of him.

Is Al Johnson the name of the bigoted fictional bar owner?

Our lockdown has been so mild, and so short compared to other countries. We’re coming out of it while infection rates are in the thousands daily.

They just delayed the herd immunity until ‘winter’ was over.

Have a little read about the 1918 pandemic. Things are about to get interesting.

The Government is removing the responsibility from themselves??

Are you trying to be funny or something?

They removed responsibility from themselves on DAY ONE when they roped in Baldy and his NHS colleagues and said they would be guided by the (clueless) scientists!!!!!

FFS.

Of course the slogan can be ‘stay at home’ but still allow some ability to go out. It means the starting point is staying at home’ but given that starting pointbyou can if you take certain precautions and stay alert to the risks make some small steps to go out.

We cannot move from total lockdown to total freedom we need to take incremental steps . Are we really so stupid in this country that we cannot understand that .

Unfortunately I do think a certain proportion of the population like to be told exactly what to do with no understanding that you cannot have rules that cover every possibility for every household.

This seems a progression in the message they are trying to send out given that we have to open up a little bit at a time.

Thankfully we are not a nanny state but I guess that won't please all those people who have been moaning about their neighbour going outside more than once a week day.

Where is the throwing up my hands in despair and saying fuck it emoticon? Fuck it. I did not understand all you people who voted Brexit and I don't understand all you people who so desperately need to be 'liberated'. Fine. Your need to see your mum/ dad/ sis/ do diy/ open the economy is more important that containing the spread of a global pandemic unlike anything we've seen in 100 years. Fine. Maybe we'll overtake America and get top of the leader board.

I will watch with the same stunned incomprehension as I did Brexit.

Haven't RTFT but a policy herd immunity through any means than vaccination has been massively disavowed by the govt in recent weeks.

They keep saying we must stay under NHS capacity, and doing that while getting herd immunity through infection would require a series of peaks and lockdowns over such a long time that a vaccine would likely arrive first. Also in his lecture on April 28 Chris Whitty clearly emphasised that vaccination is the only time you would ever have herd immunity as a policy.

I am not putting it past the govt to be veering in any direction, but it all just seems so confused.

Sounds pretty much like the government is saying 'it's up to you folks. '

That's exactly what it should be, in a democracy. It's not nursery school - do you want the government to hold your hand and wipe your bum too? We don't live in North Korea, people should be trusted with responsibility to live their own lives.

I'm quite happy to stick with what we've been doing - so long as I can be allowed to risk assess my own contact with family and friends. I can handle not going to the shops, carry on having food deliveries, staying home when I'm not at work - but I am missing the company of other people and I'm quite happy to limit that to close friends and family but as a single parent I need other grown ups around to talk to now. Someone I can talk to about how I feel and what I think rather than it always being about what a child wants and thinks.

When you have a nanny state I guess you end up with children who need every little thing spelled out for them.

ragged precisely. Calling him Boris is a reliable sign that you’ve swallowed the marketing dross.

What nanny state?

The useful services that the State used to provide have been largely lost.

That's exactly what it should be, in a democracy. It's not nursery school - do you want the government to hold your hand and wipe your bum too? We don't live in North Korea, people should be trusted with responsibility to live their own lives.

In the case of infectious disease it's not just your life though. What you do can potentially affect other people and it is one of the few scenarios in democracies where individual freedoms can be taken away for the good of the masses.

But the advice is exactly the same as it was at the beginning of the lockdown, they've just tacked a new slogan on to it.

It's interesting how some will defend the government message no wonder how unclear.... indeed even calling people who say the message is unclear stupid or suggesting they are deliberately obtuse..

So it appears that Nicola Sturgeon also thinks the message is unclear and has no idea what it means... She seems pretty sensible in suggesting that the original message stays for Scotland since no idea why the new message actually means.

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Just noticed on the TV guide for next week there's no Coronavirus updates scheduled for 5pm !
Does this mean they're just going to leave us to get on with it now ? Will Boris just pop on TV when he feels like it ?
Half the time it's just utter waffle coming out of their mouths but I'd still like to know what's happening.
I think the stay alert message is absolutely rubbish . Yesterday my neighbours had a gathering with their kids and partners and newborn grandchild ! They'll think it's the green light to carry on as normal along with all the other morons who seem to think they can do what they like.

What would you like? Everyone to be fully controlled by the state?

I'm afraid that's what some people do want. If people seriously cannot decide for themselves what "staying alert" means, then continue to abide by original Lockdown rules. Stay in your comfort zone.

There will be another wave, no matter what we do.

The difference will be intensity. Hopefully, there will be fewer waves and more "hot spots", where the disease can be contained more effectively. And as testing increases, there will be higher numbers, b/c asymptomatic people will be ID'd. You need to factor that in.

Your government cannot be fully responsible for your well-being. That way madness lies.

I have been against the forcible incarceration of people at home since it was announced and closure of schools. I would rather increase my risk of eath. Unless until in England they revoke Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020 we are still subject to the huge infringement of our civil liberties. The sooner the regulations are revoked the better for the greater good.

A second wave is pretty much certain to hit, which is why we can’t keep the country on ‘lockdown‘ until that happens.

Yes. The time to worry about the second wave was when weighing up the pros on and cons of a lockdown. Too late.