Today I feel incredibly angry

[awaywiththecircus]

I’m feeling incredibly selfish. My family luckily are all fit and well. If we catch CV we will in all likelihood be I’ll for a few days at worst. I see the impact this is having on us and feel incredibly angry. My dc should be at school, socialising, having fun. DH and I should be at work keeping a stable roof over our heads. But obviously it’s all gone to shit.
And all the fit people who are insisting they are going to stay locked up at home until there’s a vaccinationFFS.
Even my close friend with a shielded dc is feeling that we have massively overacted to this when weighing up the collateral damage we are causing. I know I’ll get flamed but I’m truly at the end of my tether.

“Businesses like this need to get back to normal, this is unsustainable forever. People going on about staying in lockdown are not seeing further than their little bubble.”

Many business are not going to be able to go back to normal...

What’s going to happen is that sectors nevermind individual businesses are going to go under and a lot of people that are currently furloughed are going to be unemployed instead.

That’s going to be no more financially sustainable.

Being angry is not helping, is it? Lots of people are frustrated by this situation.

You're probably right that if any of caught the virus, you'd be OK in a few days but that is not always the case. Someone I know was really ill for at least a fortnight and there are now reports of children who develop associated problems, quite serious ones.

It's not just about you though, if you went completely back to normality, you or, more likely, your children could still pass infection on to someone more vulnerable.

It's not going to last forever, one day we will be free. For now we just have to get on with it.

You can go out for a walk with your family, nothing wrong with that, and shopping if you choose.

How would you describe a set of people happy to let the elderly and weak die?

How would you describe a set of people happy to let other equally vulnerable people experience significant suffering and deaths that could be avoided by easing lockdown?

If you look at how South Korea handled it - that's how ALL countries - certainly all developed countries with the necessary resources - should've handled it.

So if South Korea handled it correctly you won’t be one of those people having a fit of the vapours because, “civil liberties” when the government wants to introduce a tracking app to monitor spread?

Australia and NZ have also done a pretty fucking awesome job, so why couldn't we?

I agree some fundamental mistakes have been made but just to stand up for logic I’m a bit fed up with the comparisons with remote countries with large areas and relatively small populations - you’re not comparing like with like.

@awaywiththecircus I know where you’re coming from op! Nicola sturgeon wants to keep the Scots locked up till next year by the way she goes on 🙄

Pp saying “being angry doesn’t help”.

It’s really helped me, I’m getting things done rather than crying and getting familiar with the law in ways that might well be needed in future.

The problem is we acted too late. If we had acted earlier we could have been more like Sweden.

Its no consolation but there will be an enquiry.

My healthy friend 35 died. It's not just old or Ill people

“If we had acted earlier we could have been more like Sweden. “

Yes.

@maddy68 you are absolutely correct but it’s still an incredibly tiny number that is happening to

It's always "me me me" and "I won't catch it/die from it" in the answers in these types of threads.

It isnt about YOU. It's about protecting our communities, our vulnerable and making sure the NHS isn't overwhelmed

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus

That's a good way to express it, we do need to be agile in responding to this. Some of the discussion that focuses on lockdown or no lockdown as a binary is not helpful. Some things can wait but I agree getting medical care back up and running needs to be the first thing back.

It's very sad to hear about the delays that are affecting your DH's patients and people who must be out there now needing help of that kind. I can imagine how deeply disheartening it must be for him.

Because it was as rare as hens teeth...

@Flaxmeadow and now the nhs has capacity! The area I work in never got above capacity in fact quite the opposite we’ve never been so quiet!

I am angry that there are still so many ignorant people, I have been sick for 8 weeks fighting off this virus. 8 weeks! If there had been more testing from the start and stricter isolation in place more could have been done.
we should have been contact tested and traced to prevent the spread of the virus. I am young and have very mild asthma but this has been unbearable. Like no flu or virus I have ever had before. I really hope you never ever get this but if I'm honest you are being incredibly selfish.

At the beginning the lockdown was about not overwhelming the NHS. There was a belief that we had high-quality treatments for covid-19 (including ventilation) and that if too many people became ill at once this high-quality treatment would have to be rationed, leading to avoidable deaths.

One thing that's become apparent is that we don't have high quality treatment for severe late-stage cases of the virus. Ventilation is something worth trying as a last resort, for patients strong enough, but it usually fails.

Another thing that's become apparent is that it should be fairly easy for the NHS to predict, on the basis of medical records, who is likely to become seriously ill.

We could have tried much harder to treat people with pre-existing conditions in the first week of symptoms, testing, making sure their oxygen levels, pulse and fever were checked, keeping an eye out for clotting issues, and possibly prescribing hydroxychloroquine. Early action might have reduced mortality rates substantially, as it did in Germany and, actually, in Wuhan.

The advice about staying at home until you're turning blue should only have applied to people under (say) 60 and without pre-existing health conditions.

215 people under the age of 60 (1020 in total) with no pre-existing condition have died of covid-19. So unless you're very old, if you have symptoms and know you have no pre-existing health conditions, you'll almost certainly be fine. If you have a pre-existing condition the chance of dying is much much higher: 4 times higher in people under 40. 27 times higher in people over 80.

Because there has been so little focus on differential treatment, so little willingness to see early-stage patients, and because people in care homes have been neglected, our mortality rate is terrible. I now see no point in continuing lockdown without a sensible set of treatment and confinement strategies.

Among other things, the government could have issued every household in the country with an accurate thermometer and vitamin D supplements... We could have had corona taxis as in Germany in hard-hit densely populated areas. There's been very little intelligence about the way in which sick people are assessed and treated.

Also, given that only 215 healthy people under 60 have died in the entire country (as per the 6 May NHS 'total announced deaths spreadsheet) how can so many people know one of them? It's very improbable.

“Yes the vulnerable may still need/want to isolate, but the rest of us need to get back to work so there is some semblance of an economy left”

So you’re talking about lifting all restrictions and all social distancing? Because that’s the only thing that would get “the rest of us” back to work.

@hopsalong. That is interesting as you say ...I know of 3 people under 60 no underlying conditions who passed away .
I just heard of someone else that I know who died today bringing it to 9 in total that I know ...
2 are family members , rest are colleagues / friends / acquaintances ..,

I also know many who have had the virus too who have thankfully made it or are still fighting it ....

I’m not sure of the official numbers if I’m honest ... or maybe it’s just coincidence I know so many ???! ....

But for me it’s very real .

@hopslong - you number appears incorrect. On the NHS spreadsheet for 5 May total deaths 0-59 years is approx 2,000 people (the top 3 lines combined). Plus the notes say that more autopsy results are awaited and there are some ages tbc.