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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 39

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CrunchyCarrot · 05/05/2020 21:36

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WhoWants2Know · 26/05/2020 18:28

That's what I think as well. The numbers will be manipulated to say whatever the government wants them to say.

Keepdistance · 26/05/2020 18:31

I agree proven liars, wouldnt trust as far as i could throw them.
BJ is just overconfident.
Again they seem to think we can do a half arsed job and get the same results as other countries.
Or he thinks people wont notice the vulnerable workers and elderly are hung out to dry.
I just dont agree we should get on with it and live with it. Im convinced there will be a vax (otherwise there is no point shielding anyone).
The intention to have within nhs levels will mean a lower next peak but it means there is no safe time in between. Everyone else has gone for getting numbers right down

HeIenaDove · 26/05/2020 18:59

Incredibly powerful article with parallels between Britains response to Covid 19 and the response to Chernobyl.

bylinetimes.com/2020/05/15/britains-chernobyl-covid-19-and-the-cost-of-lies/

Funnily enough Sky News have been re running their series The Real Chernobyl late at night

ToffeeYoghurt · 26/05/2020 19:21

The only way they can get away with whitewashing is with the collusion of the media.

The media are responsible for what and how they report. It is on them to challenge this. The question is, will they?

They didn't challenge voraciously enough when disabled people suffered harsh benefit 'reforms' (which began with the Blair and Brown governments before being enthusiastically continued by their successors). We have a situation today where many of the disabled struggle to survive financially on less than subsistence benefits that are frequently stopped because of a private companies (paid huge sums by the taxpayer) failed 'assesments'. We have disabled people with mobility issues genuinely confined to their homes because there's no ground floor social housing available and private landlords won't let to benefit recipients.
Then there's years of underfunding for care homes and cut after cut to community care.

The scene was set to throw the elderly and disabled to the wolves years ago sadly.

I've said before but it's always worth repeating. A civilised society protects it's more vulnerable members.

NettleTea · 26/05/2020 19:32

totally agree Toffee

HeIenaDove · 28/05/2020 01:05

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/coronavirus-emergency-cash-poor-england-hotspots-conservatives-a9528371.html

Coronavirus: Poorer areas miss out as £100m of emergency cash diverted to richer Tory councils with lower infection rates
Exclusive: Anger as ministers strip out deprivation weighting from grants to ‘fight the pandemic’ – despite higher infection rates in poorer neighbourhoods

Poorer parts of England, many of them Covid-19 hotspots, have lost out on more than £100m of emergency cash, after ministers diverted it to richer – mostly Tory-run – areas, a new analysis suggests.

The government stripped deprivation out of its calculations, despite announcing plans for that switch had been shelved – and despite saying the money was to “fight the pandemic”.

As a result, Labour-run councils which lost big sums include Sunderland (£3m), Knowsley (£2.6m), Sheffield (£2m), Gateshead (£2m), South Tyneside (£2m) and Oldham (£1.1m).

All are among the 10 areas of England with the highest rates of coronavirus infections, according to official figures, and among the most deprived.

Yet, when the cash was announced, local government minister Simon Clarke said it was to recognise that councils are “the unsung heroes of the fight against Covid-19” and faced huge extra costs as a result.

It is intended to fund getting rough sleepers off the streets and domestic abuse victims into safe accommodation, as well as to help manage funerals and bolster frontline services; all tasks more onerous in deprived areas with more virus cases.

The biggest losses in percentage terms were suffered by Knowsley (38.8 per cent), Blackpool (37.4 per cent), South Tyneside (32.8 per cent) and Liverpool (32 per cent), according to the Labour analysis seen by The Independent.

All are among the five poorest council areas, according to the government’s official index of multiple deprivation, except South Tyneside, which is 22nd
In stark contrast, the 10 richest areas all enjoyed huge boosts in funding, including (Wokingham £2.2m, 83 per cent), Buckinghamshire (£4.3m, 41 per cent), Windsor and Maidenhead (£1.7m, 39 per cent), Surrey (£8.1m, 32 per cent) and Oxfordshire (£4.7m, 32 per cent). All have Conservative-controlled councils.
The Labour analysis follows a study by the Health Foundation finding that the risk of dying from coronavirus is more than twice as great in the most deprived areas of England as in the least.

Steve Reed, the shadow local government secretary, condemned the way funds had been allocated after ministers “promised to fund ‘whatever it takes’ to get communities through this pandemic”.

Now the government is cutting emergency funding for areas with the highest rates of Covid-19 infection and diverting it to areas that are suffering less,” he told The Independent.

“This money was earmarked for fighting Covid-19, so it must go to the communities that need it the most. Emergency funding should go to areas with the highest rates of infection.”

Steve Rotheram, mayor of the Liverpool city region, said its authorities believed ministers had “pulled the rug from under them”, after promising they would receive “whatever it takes”.

“Now it’s ‘take whatever you are given’ and it’s noticeable that it’s Labour areas that have missed out in the second tranche,” he protested.
“It is disgraceful if funding is being allocated in that partisan way, after what ministers said about putting away party-political squabbles in a time of national crisis.”

In total, more than £100m was diverted from councils in the bottom half of the deprivation index, when £1.6bn of emergency grants were announced in late April, according to the Labour analysis.

That is the difference from the allocations to each town hall from the first £1.6bn pot, handed out in March, which did include deprivation in the weightings.
The second £1.6bn tranche was awarded on a per-capita basis, raising fears in town halls – which still face an estimated £10bn black hole because of coronavirus costs – that the method will be used for future allocations.

The future downgrading of deprivation was signalled in the so-called fair funding review which began under Theresa May and triggered loud protests.

However, it is supposed to be on hold, until April 2022, after poorer areas that delivered Boris Johnson’s general election triumph were among those facing big cuts.

A spokesperson for the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government said: “We’re providing councils with an unprecedented £3.2bn in the fairest way possible and giving them the resources to tackle the immediate pressures they have told us they’re facing.

The two tranches of funding were allocated in different ways because they address different needs, but should be considered together as the true picture of this additional support.

HeIenaDove · 30/05/2020 02:13

www.insidehousing.co.uk/insight/the-housing-pandemic-four-graphs-showing-the-link-between-covid-19-deaths-and-the-housing-crisis-66562

The housing pandemic: four graphs showing the link between COVID-19 deaths and the housing crisis
INSIGHT
29/05/20
7:00 AM
BY NATHANIEL BARKER
Is poor housing a factor in the COVID-19 pandemic? Nathaniel Barker crunches the numbers to find out.

t has been widely recognised for years that housing is a public health issue.

Live in poor-quality, cramped, unsuitable accommodation and you are more likely to suffer from a wide range of illnesses, such as cancer and respiratory and cardiovascular diseases.

In 2015, the Building Research Establishment estimated that poor housing costs the NHS at least £1.4bn a year. Yet, despite the growing body of evidence, the disconnect between housing policy and health policy remains steadfast.

Now, the coronavirus pandemic – described by prime minister Boris Johnson as “the worst public health crisis for a generation” – has thrown the problems into sharp relief. With more than 37,000 people having lost their lives to COVID-19, the UK has the highest number of deaths in Europe and second-most globally.

While a myriad of factors have contributed to the high number of deaths, housing conditions are likely to have played a key part. At the start of the month, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) released shocking figures showing that poorer areas of the country have significantly higher coronavirus mortality rates

Through exclusive analysis, Inside Housing has delved into the issue further to highlight how the housing crisis may be a major driving factor in this worrying trend.

The contagiousness of the disease has been one of the most worrying characteristics of COVID-19. If people are close together for long periods of time, the risk of spreading or catching the disease increases drastically. Overcrowded living conditions are therefore the perfect environment for the virus to spread.

Graph one shows the age-related COVID-19 mortality rates in each council area across England and Wales plotted against levels of housing overcrowding. Mortality rates (deaths involving coronavirus per 100,000 people) are taken from the ONS’ data and capture the period between 1 March and 17 April.

Overcrowding data is based on 2014 analysis by the ONS on data gathered through the 2011 census. Obviously, the figures are likely to have changed in the past nine years, although these remain the most up-to-date authoritative statistics on overcrowding at a local level.

An overcrowded home is defined as one with one or more fewer bedrooms than required by the household according to the government’s bedroom standard. Here, levels of overcrowded homes are presented as a percentage of all homes in the area

As graph one (above) shows, the correlation is stark. It strongly indicates that areas with more overcrowded housing have been worst hit by coronavirus.

Out in the top right corner – with the highest COVID-19 death rate (144.3 deaths per 100,00) and the biggest housing overcrowding problem (25.2% of homes are overcrowded) – is Newham in east London.

John Gray, lead member for housing services at Newham Council, thinks that is no coincidence. “This is a housing disease,” he tells Inside Housing.

The council is currently working on a combined health and housing strategy in response to crisis’ terrible impact on the borough.

“There are plausible reasons why overcrowding could contribute to the transmission of the virus,” says Adam Tinson, a senior analyst at The Health Foundation. “It makes it quite hard to self-isolate if you do have symptoms. People on low incomes are also more likely to be overcrowded with a person over 75 or with an underlying health condition

There is a distinct London focus to the overcrowding problem. Of the 30 areas with the highest percentages of households living in overcrowded conditions, 26 are in London. Part of that can likely be explained by the acute affordable housing shortages in the city.

Incidentally, then-London mayor Mr Johnson introduced a target in 2010 to halve severe overcrowding in social rented housing by 2016. Despite some initial progress, overcrowding in London only fell from 16.7% in 2010/11 to 13.8% by 2016/17. The problem has worsened since.

The ONS has also confirmed that people from BME backgrounds are hugely over-represented among victims of coronavirus. Overcrowded housing conditions may be partly behind this worrying trend.

According to the English Housing Survey, while around 2% of white British households experience overcrowding, 30% of Bangladeshi households are affected – as well as 16% of Pakistani households and 15% of black African households.

Many overcrowded households will likely be living in houses in multiple occupation (HMOs) – homes that are rented to five or more people not from the same family with shared bathroom and kitchen facilities.

The chart above shows COVID-19 mortality rates in England plotted against councils’ estimates of how many HMOs are in their area according to the 2018/19 Local Authority Housing Statistics (LAHS) published by the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government (MHCLG).

Inside Housing has presented the figure as the rate of HMOs per 100,000 dwellings in the area, per MHCLG statistics.

HMOs, usually run by private landlords, are often the cheapest way of renting and so are common in places with housing affordability issues. They are also sometimes associated with cramped and sub-standard conditions. The scatter is wider, although the graph indicates a link between HMO prevalence and COVID-19 death rates across local authorities
The chart above shows the same COVID-19 mortality rates data used in the two previous graphs, broken down by proportions of homeless households in temporary accommodation across England as of 31 December 2019, according to MHCLG figures.

For instance, among local authorities where less than one household per 100,000 is in temporary accommodation, the average coronavirus death rate per 100,000 people is 27.4. But for areas where more than 15 households per 100,000 are in temporary accommodation, the average death rate is 102.9. Again, Newham has the highest temporary accommodation rate in the country, at 46 households per 100,000.

The graph indicates a clear link between areas where the council is struggling most to source adequate permanent housing for everyone that needs it and those where most people are dying from coronavirus.

Graph four (above) presents this concept in a slightly different way, mapping the COVID-19 data against areas with the acutest shortages of social housing.

We have calculated social housing shortages by dividing the number of households on each council’s housing waiting list per the 2018/19 LAHS by MHCLG data showing the number of social housing lettings in each area in the same year. Newham, where there are 35.6 households on the waiting list per letting, tops this list as well.

Those languishing on the waiting list are likely to be in homes unsuitable for their needs in some way – perhaps too small, affected by issues such as damp and disrepair, or inappropriate for someone who has a disability.

“We’ve got to get our act together, especially Newham in the context of worst age-related mortality rates in the country,” says Mr Gray. “Housing is definitely linked to that fact
Consider too the secondary potential health emergency which has emerged from measures imposed to limit infections. “Poor-quality housing and overcrowding are almost certainly contributing to poor mental health during the lockdown,” says Mr Tinson. “The nature of housing in the UK is making it a lot harder for people to cope with this scenario.”

Once the pandemic eventually subsides, work to evaluate how we avoid a similar crisis in future may begin in earnest. Clearly, this analysis does not tell the full story of coronavirus, since the prevalence of underlying health conditions, concentrations of care homes and types of industry are all significant factors in the areas that have been hardest hit.

However, there is evidence that our failure to get to grips with the housing crisis has helped make our society vulnerable to coronavirus. If the pandemic is not the wake-up call policymakers need to ensure our homes and health are treated as intrinsically linked, then nothing will be

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Add message | Report | Message poster | QuoteHeIenaDove Sat 30-May-20 02:11:27
Author of that article also has the graphs on his Twitter

twitter.com/NatBarkerIH/status/1266277319066304517?s=20

Keepdistance · 30/05/2020 12:11

Local schools remaining shut until at least 8th jun and a car park shut due to wsm situation.
It is going to be rubbish if local lockdowns bexause of day trippers.

VictoriaBun · 06/06/2020 05:37

Have we all become so complacent about corona that no-one posts on here any longer. These posts used to move so fast and now it's a week since the last one !

Sunshinespacecadet · 06/06/2020 13:06

@VictoriaBun that’s very true. I’m becoming more concerned at the moment as the R rate seems to be increasing in certain areas.

Sunshinespacecadet · 06/06/2020 13:08

@HeIenaDove thanks for posting those links, I’ve just been reading them

VictoriaBun · 06/06/2020 13:11

@Sunshinespacecadet
Yes , unfortunately I'm in one of those areas.
The threads used to move so fast, sometimes more than 1 a day ! I'm wondering if people have resigned themselves to it now.

EarlGreywithLemon · 06/06/2020 14:24

Long term lurker, thought I’d post now. I’m very grateful to this thread, as it alerted me to what was going on way back in February. I started reading it during night feeds.
I think people are getting complacent, but I definitely not one of them. Nothing I’ve heard about this virus makes it less worrying than it was a few months ago.

EarlGreywithLemon · 06/06/2020 14:24

*I’m

VictoriaBun · 06/06/2020 14:31

EarlGreywithLemon
I agree 100% . It's still here, it's still invisible, and yes, we don't yet have a vaccine .

EarlGreywithLemon · 06/06/2020 16:01

If anything, my worry is that, if we have a second wave, there won’t be appetite for another lockdown - either in the country or in government. We should have locked down sooner, properly, and for longer. Not sure lockdown time was used as well as it should have been either - in terms of setting up track and trace, stocking up on PPE, etc.
I really hope the Oxford vaccine does come off...

Keepdistance · 06/06/2020 16:49

I still worried. If not more. Weve been through the lockdown and been left with levels the same as march and told to get on with it (back to school etc) every other country (except usa?) Seem to have really got on top of it!
Mainlt because of the continued spread in hospital and care homes.
Im presuming they are heading for a swine flu so a peak before end of term.and one in october.

But with the protests we will see if london does have immunity.
D&C are surely heading for a peak over the summer.
I actually think being in the less affected areas is going to be a problem as very vulnerable once everything and more flights open up.

StrawberryJam200 · 18/06/2020 09:54

Hi all (any of the original posters?) - just wondering if it's worth trying to revive these excellent threads.

Daily graphs is getting rather side tracked from statistics and science, to discussions that might be better on here.

If you read the OP for this thread you can see its original intentions.

StrawberryJam200 · 18/06/2020 10:04

Apologies I should have checked, the OP on this thread is no help, nor can I find the original post which kicked it all off.

Actually I'd really like to read the first couple of these threads, which must have been written in ? early Feb, they're of historic value now.

Anyone know a cleverer way of searching for old threads? Not getting anywhere on my phone with the app.

Anyway, basically these threads used to contain good factual- based discussion and informed thoughts about coronavirus.

EarlGreywithLemon · 18/06/2020 10:23

@StrawberryJam200, that’s a great idea. Might take pressure off my DH listening to me rabbit on about “this article I’ve seen today”.

EarlGreywithLemon · 18/06/2020 10:27

This may have been the first one, I’m not sure
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3813759-AIBU-to-ask-you-if-you-are-worried-about-the-new-Coronavirus?pg=1

StrawberryJam200 · 18/06/2020 10:29

Yes @EarlGreywithLemon , I'm trying to develop a system of saving links that I feel are really important to my Notes app, there's so much info and opinion coming from all over the place and I don't want to lose it/ nor risk contributing to misinformation when I want to quote it to someone!

Humphriescushion · 18/06/2020 10:31

Happy to have this thread revived. Cant remember what the original op was though. Will try and find.