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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 39

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CrunchyCarrot · 05/05/2020 21:36

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HeIenaDove · 20/05/2020 00:02

In other news Prince Charles really needs to learn to read the room!!

bluefoxmug · 20/05/2020 10:57

Dutch farm worker contracted coronavirus from mink

will the link between pets and animal to human transmission be looked at again?

HeIenaDove · 21/05/2020 01:19

Watching Old Alone and Stuck At Home.

ToffeeYoghurt · 21/05/2020 02:41

Sweden's approach not working so well.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/20/sweden-becomes-country-highest-coronavirus-death-rate-per-capita/
Most of the article's behind a paywall but you'll get the gist.

VictoriaBun · 21/05/2020 20:41

It's very quiet in here today.

whatnametopick · 21/05/2020 21:23

Who will be 1st in-line for the antibody tests after health workers do we think?

HeIenaDove · 21/05/2020 21:33

inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-latest-care-home-boss-authorities-pressure-residents-covid-19-litigation-cases-2859844

Coronavirus latest: Care home boss claims authorities pressured him into taking residents with Covid-19 as lawyers prepare for 'wave of litigation' cases
Exclusive: After patients were transferred from hospitals to care home, five residents died from coronavirus

By David Parsley
Wednesday, 20th May 2020, 5:56 pm

A care home boss has claimed that pressure from NHS Trusts meant he was forced to take two hospital patients into his homes, which led to nine residents contracting the virus and five deaths.

Despite requesting confirmation that both patients had tested negative for Covid-19, Andrew Winstanley, managing director of Berkley Care Group, said neither the CQC, which regulates health and social care in England, or Public Health England would provide negative test certificates

As a result, Mr Winstanley said, three residents died at his care home in Hillingdon, Middlesex, and two more succumbed to the virus in other homes across his group.

CQC said it is not within its remit its remit to provide Covid-19 test certificates.

Legal profession prepares for 'wave of claims'
The claim is made as medical negligence lawyers across the country are preparing for a “wave of litigations” as families who have lost loved ones in care homes begin to seek justice for mistakes that may have led to the spread of the virus among some of society’s most vulnerable people.

Mr Winstanley, who runs six homes across the south of England providing care for 330 residents, said: “We were pressured by NHS Trusts to take both residents without negative test certificates. We weren’t left with any choice but to take them when the NHS was trying to create bed capacity. After we took those residents in we had five
deaths.
A spokesman for the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) said: “No care home should be forced to take back recovering Covid-19 patients if they do not feel they can provide the appropriate care. If a care home provider does not feel they can provide the appropriate care, that individual’s local authority should secure alternative appropriate accommodation and care for the remainder of the required isolation period.”

It is this kind of case which Carlos Lopez, a clinical negligence lawyer from Hampson Hughes, is certain will cause a “a wave of litigations” as families seek justice for loved ones who died from Covid-19 in such circumstances.

“It’s fair to say there will be a wave of litigation as a result of this health crisis,” said Mr Lopez. “We have been approached by one family already with a similar story, and it will come down to who’s to blame. We will look at the care home, the NHS Trust that discharged the patient, the CQC advice to care homes, and also Government guidance on the matter of transferring patients from hospitals to care homes. But if you ask me if someone is to blame, then yes.”

Inquiry into care home deaths 'inevitable'
Jocelyn Cockburn, a human rights expert and partner at legal firm Hodge Jones and Allen, said: “It is clear that the high level of deaths of residents and staff in care homes across the UK has raised major concerns in relation to the Government’s response to Covid-19 and possibly also the actions of specific privately or publicly run care homes. Whether there are individual claims or legal challenges by families of those who have lost their lives, will depend on the circumstances of each case. However, there is also a clear need for care home deaths to be investigated as a whole so that systemic failings can be identified, and the right lessons learned.”

Ms Cockburn believes calls in order to discover “the basis upon which decisions were taken and whether steps could have been taken to mitigate the risk of deaths”.

She added: “Article 2 of the Human Rights Act, imposes a duty on the state to protect the ‘right to life’ of its citizens it also requires an investigation to take place where there are arguable failings to do this. If as the Justice Secretary has suggested decisions were taken to protect the NHS in preference to care homes then this must be scrutinised especially in light of the vulnerability of care home residents and there are also questions as to the extent to which care homes were given the information and tools to protect their residents and staff in the face of the known risk to life.”

Care home boss blocked from taking new residents
Mr Winstanley also said one local authority in which he operates a care home informed him that he was not permitted to take on new residents until his home had passed risk assessment conducted by the council.

“We only found out about this by accident when a family told us they wanted to bring their family member from a hospital into one of our care homes. They said they had been told by their local authority that all new residents were blocked until after the risk assessment. I checked this, and it was confirmed. This is how we found out. No government body thought to tell care homes about this.

“The family is distraught as they believe their loved-one will now be forced to stay in a far more dangerous place, a hospital. I can see the point of view of the Government here, in protecting residents, but we need to know when the local authorities will be able to carry out risk assessments at our homes. I asked one and they just said ‘how long is a piece of string’.

Asked if the Government had directed local authorities to ban new residents in care homes before a risk assessment takes place the spokesman for the DHSC said: “These claims are completely untrue.”

Update 21-May at 7.45am: A previous version of this story said Berkley Care Group had been pressured by CQC into taking hospital patients into its homes without Covid-19 tests being performed. Berkley Group was, in fact, claiming it had been pressured by NHS Trusts. We apologise for any confusion caused.

NettleTea · 22/05/2020 09:53

the care home situation is a fiasco. I am still unsure as to whether it was a carer or a patient from hospital when the home 'opened up to NHS beds' at the same time my mother in law was admitted, that led to the virus being let into a home that had been free of it until about 3 weeks ago, and which ultimately led to her death.

ToffeeYoghurt · 22/05/2020 18:30

@whatnametopick
Just my view but if and when we get a vaccine I'd say next in line after HCP should be care home residents and staff.

Next after them I'd consider putting those with health conditions but of working age (who can't wfh) before pensioners. Those who are retired can stay at home or at least maintain social distancing more easily than people who need to work out of the home. Then again the elderly are likely to need to attend busy hospitals or medical centres. Hopefully both groups could be included in the second stage vaccine rounds. Or perhaps they should go first given age is such a risk factor?

Humphriescushion · 22/05/2020 18:32

Sorry to hear about your mother in law nettle.

HeIenaDove · 22/05/2020 19:50

www.womensequality.org.uk/care_home_crisis?fbclid=IwAR2Tip4dK6lwwBq4kZ3dLliU9LQLRguLG3-GBb9z1tjrXaTwIjzXVwvtKQA

From the frontline of a care home
Home PassTheMic From the frontline of a care home
From the frontline of a care home
Anonymous, Care Home Assistant

From the frontline of a care home
Anonymous, Care Home Assistant

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"The Covid-19 pandemic has exposed huge flaws within the care sector that predated the transmission of the deadly virus to the UK population. Flaws in the way that social care is run and funded and the government’s lack of consideration for the vital work care homes do have now been brought into sharp focus.

Personal Protective Equipment (or the lack of it) first made big news when it became clear the NHS’ supplies had depleted to unsafe levels. While the herculean effort to get restocked eventually saved numerous NHS workers from catching and spreading the virus, many care homes were completely overlooked. In the residential home I work in, my colleagues and I had to fight to convince the owners to even attempt to purchase the required PPE, because protective equipment costs money. By the time management realised the importance of adequate PPE, most of it had already been sent to NHS hospitals, so very little ever actually got through to us. This of course put staff and residents at risk of contracting the virus and we can see that now in the extraordinary number of deaths in care settings. The prospect of putting ourselves and our loved ones in danger against such a potent and invisible threat as Covid-19 was scary. I was angry too, as it really did feel as if we had been abandoned.

As we watched news of the virus spreading, new residents continued to arrive in the home; many from hospitals with confirmed Covid-19 cases looking to free up beds, while the care home was looking to make money. It wasn’t long then, before the virus got in and began to spread. Many of my colleagues were left with really difficult decisions to make. One colleague was told her child could not go into school again until she got tested, in case she had become infected by her care worker parent. Some colleagues feared they were developing symptoms, yet often continued to work shifts because they simply couldn’t afford to miss a day. If anyone suspected they had symptoms, the nearest testing centre was over an hour away by car, and that was if you could even get an appointment.

There was no safety net in place for us. PPE and proper testing for all frontline workers is vital, but still isn’t happening in care homes. The lack of proper employment protection exacerbates the situation further because if you don’t work, you don’t get paid. There’s no sick pay and you face the prospect of losing your job entirely if you self-isolate for 14 days, as instructed by the government. That people have to risk their own health and the health of others because they are worried about paying their rent is unacceptable and must change. That is why I am supporting the Women’s Equality Party’s social distance march this weekend.

My colleagues and I love the work we do and want to do the best job possible, but we often feel like our hands are tied behind our backs, and the reason is almost always down to profit margins. The private model instinctively makes cost savings wherever possible, to maximise profit in the care home; which leaves workers and residents alike feeling like the ‘Care’ is an optional extra. Years of underfunding from government exacerbates this

It’s galling because, in my experience, the staff try so hard and do an amazing job with a high level of skill (don’t get me started on the phrase ‘low skilled worker’!), for very little reward. All the while fighting against a lack of investment in care and a feeling that the great work we do is invisible. This ‘penny pinching’ means we’re often understaffed and so rarely have the time to talk to residents, to go above and beyond basic care needs and give residents the stimulation, fun and the comfort they require. Doing any more than just ticking off people’s basic needs means you fall behind on your rounds, so both residents and staff ultimately suffer. With proper funding, residents would lead richer lives, they would feel valued as humans; not just a room number to be dealt with before swiftly moving on.

Just one conversation with a resident is enough to know that they have all led extraordinary lives, worked hard and given so much to this country. They deserve to be treated better.

Frontline workers in the NHS do an amazing job and it’s good to see the public showing such appreciation for the work they do. However, this pandemic has shone a light on the care sector, how we on the frontline of this creaking system have been forgotten and yet how vital our work is. We too must be protected and valued, not just to stop the virus but as a vaccination against inequality."

WhoWants2Know · 22/05/2020 22:30

Is it over optimistic to think that we may yet avoid a second peak, even with restrictions lifting?

I'm wondering if lockdown has educated enough people about the need for distancing that we might naturally start doing things differently.

Big events like Crufts and Chelmsford are much less appealing now, as are places like the cinema where people sit breathing each other's germs.

Lots of businesses have found ways to work effectively from home, and potentially fewer people will need to return to do the same job in an expensive and germ-filled premises.

It can't get as bad again as it is as when there were no restrictions except to sing happy birthday--can it?

EmeraldShamrock · 23/05/2020 11:34

Is it over optimistic to think that we may yet avoid a second peak, even with restrictions lifting? Yes I believe you're over optimistic sorry. It would rely on people following the guidelines metres etc. I stand back from the freezer if someone is at it when it's my turn you get people leaning over you for items.
They can tell by my face I'm screaming pissed off. All of beach photos I just don't think it is possible to avoid another peak.

Keepdistance · 23/05/2020 16:16

I agree another peak.
I think it's awful we are so dependent on other people behaving sensibly. Tbh at this rate they may as well get it over with.
How can vulnerable people send their kids to school with kids of such
Covidiots.

The gov arent going to control it so areas other than london are going to peak.
I do think this is why schools shouldnt go back yet. Let kids meet up at parks and give it to parents who arent worried. By sept 20% of them may have had it making spread much slower

MollyButton · 23/05/2020 20:31

The beach photos can be misleading. The papers want to blame "the public" for any subsequent waves. They have been caught using pictures of Brighton last year, and using a misleading zoom which makes people look much closer together.

ToffeeYoghurt · 23/05/2020 20:40

Good (but depressing) article Helena

I hope I'm wrong but I don't see how we can avoid another peak. We still have no border restrictions whatsoever (unlike many other countries). The government have decided incoming travellers will self isolate from the 8 June. After travelling home or to their destination. Which for many will be on public transport...

ToffeeYoghurt · 23/05/2020 20:44

Agree @MollyButton
It's so irresponsible. Stirring up division. And it could encourage those with the 'If you can't beat 'em, join them' attitude to head to the beach when they wouldn't had they not read the article.

HeIenaDove · 23/05/2020 23:32

The government have decided incoming travellers will self isolate from the 8 June. After travelling home or to their destination

Good luck to those enforcing that after what Cummings has done!

Keepdistance · 24/05/2020 13:27

I think BJ should personally pay somebof the debt!
All the people going on about the economy we could have shut the borders and kept it out and not cost billions. China has kept it back out.
You can see people's point about locking down when tourists can come in sttaight onto PT. All the little flowera bwed to suck up and get their masks on. Tbh it is really annyoing me the same people who
Wont wear masks
Wont let teachers wear masks
Wont let kids wear masks
AND then complaining about schools not opening up?!?! Liter cant have everything their own way.
Getting cases lower andvstaying lower wouldallow everyone much more freedom.

It is the anti masks brigade including the gov who are costing all this money not the teachers

ToffeeYoghurt · 24/05/2020 16:29

Given how unpopular Cummings appears to be, surely the way to go is a message of Don't Be Like Dom.

I agree with you @Keepdistance
The UK's slowness to (half heartedly) lockdown and more haste less speed rush to unlock without also taking the basic measures other countries have done will be what prolongs the misery for us all here in the UK. Not just in terms of lives lost, at risk, or grieved, but also the economic damage. Far better to have taken strict measures early.

You'd think people would learn. Yet here we are months later still failing to take a few simple steps that would make reopening less risky to lives and economy.

NettleTea · 26/05/2020 18:15

Im very concerned about the stealth changing of wording, and the pushing ahead of opening schools and shops.
It looks to me as if there may be a way for them to 'lose' lots of figures here in an attempt to get everything open again. Perhaps in light of the non existant contact tracing they will allegedly be doing they might stop testing people as they come into hospital? That effectively will reduce the people dying who have 'tested positive' - they will only be visible as extra deaths on the ONS, like many of the care home/non hospital deaths are

I really fear we are going to get white washed here and lose any attempt of transparency, but I may be just paranoid

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