Worried About Coronavirus- thread 39

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Just watched the latest press conference and reading answers to questions in guardian. Answers aren't answers they are pure gaslighting.

And they're starting to use the protective bubble language about small children in school, it doesn't mean anything. Just makes it sound like something is in place, when I know from our local school they haven't a clue what's going to happen.

I think they will now push on for economy regardless and will tweak the picture they present to suit that agenda.

What confidentiality? For what reason? Is the virus shy?

What a load of shit. They've abandoned any pretence. Open lies too. I hope this doesn't go unchallenged. The care homes need real protection. No imaginary pretend bubbles or rings or circles or floating fluffy clouds or anything else.

These are valuable individual human beings. Somebody needing support with care is not a piece of rubbish to throw in the bin. They are not expendable.

The tragedy is as much economic as avoidable deaths. The repeated refusal by the government to see further than next week means further economic disruption.

All because the government spent the past two months on lies, incompetence, and spin instead of taking the simple measures other countries did to be ready for a safer easing of lockdown.

Why not spend the next two to three weeks sorting out tests, masks, PPE, drugs. Do we really have to go through tens of thousands more needless deaths and suffer greater economic damage? Can't we finally do what should've been done months ago?

Yep They really couldnt give two shits.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/alastair-campbell-on-how-coronavirus-became-a-catastrophe-1-6654652

news.yahoo.com/3-clues-coronavirus-patients-blood-115100205.html
3 clues in coronavirus patients' blood could help doctors predict their risk of death 10 days in advance, with 90% accuracy

The results found that the following indicators can predict whether a patient had a higher risk of death than other infected people:

High levels of the enzyme lactic dehydrogenase (LDH). This is associated with lung damage and the type of tissue breakdown that happens during pneumonia.

Lymphopenia, the term for low levels of lymphocytes — white blood cells that defend the body against invading pathogens.

An increase in high-sensitivity C-reactive proteins, or hs-CRP for short. This indicates inflammation in the lungs.

Using those indicators, the computer model could predict what happened to the hospital patients 10 days in advance of their clinical outcomes.

"The three key features, LDH, lymphocytes and hs-CRP, can be easily collected in any hospital," the researchers wrote in the study. "In crowded hospitals, and with shortages of medical resources, this simple model can help to quickly prioritize patients, especially during a pandemic when limited healthcare resources have to be allocated."

This sounds like progress along with the information that a 3rd of hospitalised patients have mini blood clots. It looks more and more like its a vascular disease and not a respiratory one at all.

@RedToothBrush sorry, but can you explain your last comment further? I've read it elsewhere too but, perhaps because I've little medical understanding, I don't understand it.

If the 2 of the 3 blood markers all relate to lungs, why does this provide further evidence that this is a vascular disease rather than a respiratory one?

Thank you.

It's the difference between something they've detected in the blood that has affect on lungs rather than it necessarily being something that originates in the lungs and shows up in the lungs. And it's starting to look more and more like it's more something that affects the lungs rather than something that being a result of ineffectual lung operation.

Still being worked on but the early assumption that it was just another kind of pneumonia may be off the mark.

What also point to vascular is some of the symptoms that occur outside the lungs, like the "covid toes", basilar inflammation in children ("Kawasaki") and blood clots elsewhere in the body.

So maybe blood thinners is the way to go, not necessarily mechanical ventilation...

I wonder whether the drs only follow the protocol for ventilation or are allowed to try other treatments.

So maybe blood thinners is the way to go, not necessarily mechanical ventilation...

There is something in the papers today about exactly this approach. Front page of Telegraph...

A friend is an ICU nurse has said that some are being treated with blood thinners.

who is the white haired bloke on BBC Daily Briefing now?

Lord Sumption.

inews.co.uk/news/business/coronavirus-uk-boris-johnson-promised-workplace-safety-inspections-2855984

www.hastingsobserver.co.uk/health/coronavirus/east-sussex-school-close-after-staff-member-tests-positive-covid-19-2855566

my mother in law dies this morning
She is someone who has definately died WITH covid rather than of, although the vascular aspect is interesting. She had parkinsons, diabetes, heart failure and polymyalgia, was incredibly frail and had a mild covid infection by all accounts as no lung issues

@NettleTea Im so sorry for your and your family"s loss.

twitter.com/CovidJusticeUk

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/11/bereaved-families-seek-justice-for-uk-victims-of-coronavirus?CMP=share_btn_tw

@NettleTea My sincere condolences.

so sorry for your loss @NettleTea

thank you
she was due to come home from the care home (she probably would have ended up back there) but the virus got in and they went into quarantine 4 days before she was supposed to leave. The residents had all been mixing with each other until that time and the home had been free of it.
Bad fucking timing.
Yes the underlying conditions were the cause, no doubt. But the virus opened the door and showed her which way to go.

I'm so sorry @NettleTea

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/coronavirus-single-mother-left-worse-off-by-universal-credit-increase-launches-legal-challenge-over-perverse-benefit-rules/ar-BB14db6o?ocid=st

NettleTea so sorry for your families ' loss.

Agree so much is about timing. With my Great Aunt she had only been in hospital a few months and then a care home almost exactly at time of covid taking off.

When i was ill about a month ago it felt like there was an element of body forgetting to breathe. So i guess that sort of thing would be worse with dementia.

That Eastborne school - they are saying they were told they didnt need to tell parents....
(Our school didnt tell us for minumim a day). Surely we need to be telling parents or teacher as soon as you have a cough/fever not waiting for test results even??!

dc started school last week.
we have been told here to self isolate as family group if any one of us has any cold symptoms or fever.