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Worried About Coronavirus- thread 39

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CrunchyCarrot · 05/05/2020 21:36

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NettleTea · 11/05/2020 10:30

just spoken to my MILs social worker about her supposed return home from the care home
Not happening
He told me there was infection in the home without me having to ask him, and that the whole home is in quarantine. The more I think about it, the more I think she heard and thats why she wanted out. The timings seem about right. Understand now why she said she wanted to leave RIGHT NOW
This is fucking heartbreaking. They were all mixing amongst themselves until 10 days ago too

mrshoho · 11/05/2020 10:44

New ONS breakdown of deaths in working age population. No surprise those most at risk are front line lower skilled workers Security guards, Taxi drivers, care workers, cleaners, I think also construction and other public facing roles. All people who had to carry on working during this lockdown.

mrshoho · 11/05/2020 10:46

I'm so sorry Nettletea. Your poor MIL and other residents and staff. Just terrible.

bluefoxmug · 11/05/2020 10:59

in germany & us there have been outbreaks around abbatoirs and meat processing facilities.
I thought those workers are wearing extensive ppe anyway?

Comenext · 11/05/2020 11:08

@RedToothBrush
Which news article? Which Hospital? I am in the North West so particularly interested

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2020 11:15

www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/18439902.rise-intensive-care-patients-warrington-hospital/
Rise in intensive care patients at Warrington Hospital

Not particularly reassuring when my parents live close by and my Dad is on the high risk list.

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2020 11:16

The North West as a whole now have more people in hospital than London does. Which is even worse when you consider the number of people per head of population.

changeshermind · 11/05/2020 11:18

Nettle if you have no children at home get her out !

NettleTea · 11/05/2020 11:38

I cant get her out
I have a shielded child with cystic fibrosis, athma and diabetes
my partner (her son) is shielded
just spoken to the home. She has a high temperature and isnt eating

NettleTea · 11/05/2020 11:40

care home has the tests but couriers dont turn up to collect them. they turn up 3 days later by which time swabs are useless. They wont wait while they swab them again. Staff have had to source all PPE themselves from ebay
2 members of staff currently off sick

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2020 11:49

Healthcare workers are not the most at risk workers from the look of data from the ONS.

Ed Conway @EdConwaySky
Security guards, workers in food processing plants, taxi drivers: the occupations facing the highest #COVID19 death rates.
^Social care workers face more than 2x the average death rate but death rates among NHS workers are in line with the average
Striking new findings from @ONS^

^Since far more men are dying of #COVID19 there’s less @ONS
data on female deaths by occupation, but hairdressers face the highest rates:^

  • hairdressing: 18.1 deaths per 100k^
- process plant workers: 15.6 - social care workers: 9.6 - female average: 5.2 - health workers: 4.8

And here's the link to the ONS page with the data

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/whichoccupationshavethehighestpotentialexposuretothecoronaviruscovid19/2020-05-11

Comenext · 11/05/2020 12:21

Thanks @RedToothBrush
That is useful to know. Sorry to hear about your Dad. Must be a worry for you.

EmeraldShamrock · 11/05/2020 12:34

@NettleTea I am very sorry. Are they able to offer her fluids and medication in the home. Care staff will be left with PTSD.
I'm not sure you could even take her home even if you lived alone. The couriers not collecting the tests is a joke, another excuse for save tests.
Out of 450 elderly care home patient's dying 9 were admitted to hospital for treatment in Ireland on April 12th.

OldQueen1969 · 11/05/2020 12:43

Jus came on to see if anyone else was a bit WTF about the new encouragement to go back to work if you can't WFH being pretty much contradicted by the ONS statistics that this group, particularly men, are the worst risk for a fatal outcome if they catch the virus. It utterly undermines the briefing last night IMO and makes me wonder just how bad communication is between experts, the government etc.

It really does seem that a second wave is being deliberately engineered, but of course that goes the route of conspiracy thinking and we're not supposed to do that are we? Who or what are we supposed to trust - we can't trust the figures because of the shambolic testing regime, we can't know if all those reporting symptoms actually have the virus or a different virus due to lack of testing, in fact it seems all we really do know is we don't know much at all about the actual virus and so risk assessment is just virus roulette.

Yet we're being "encouraged" to overcome our fears and kickstart the economy, and the devolved governments approach being so different is very alarming. New cases have been reported in China and Germany now - but we're not going to start quarantining incoming travellers "just yet" - when surely this should have been the approach from February / early March - it's hardly rocket science that a world that turns on global air travel and movement of people at high volumes should first not just reduce that travel but monitor the travellers closely too.

Sorry if I am re-hashing things other posters have covered, but in the two weeks since my Mum died (cancer) I have been slowly becoming more aware of the outside world and it just beggars belief that there isn't a firmer sense of control of the situation from TPTB.

My area - thank God / chosen method of magickal thinking - hasn't been badly affected, but it seems we are being set up to take the blame for any rise of infections if we mix with family (still forbidden I know), yet surely the greater risk will come from the opening of workplaces where social distancing may not be 100% feasible nor adhered to.

I'm just flummoxed - I'll be sticking to the rules as I understand them of course, partly to protect the NHS and the vulnerable, and partly to avoid being fined - because that's another thing - raised fines??? With so many people already suffering financially, this move just seems to add insult to injury.

Again, apologies for the rant and thank you for your indulgence.

RedToothBrush · 11/05/2020 12:52

The ons graph about occupation is particularly telling...

Note: Health professionals are below the average despite high exposure. Contrast with others.

Worried About Coronavirus- thread 39
MurrayTheMonk · 11/05/2020 13:06

Nettle, were i you I would be raising urgent concern via CQC... you can do anonymously. It might just get them the help they need in a round about way.

EmeraldShamrock · 11/05/2020 13:15

Health professionals are below the average despite high exposure. Contrast with others That will be the PPE.
The ordinary Joe soap needs to wear a mask and eye protection.
There has been clusters found here in the meat packaging industry too 566 cases.
Also the direct provision centres it is disaster.
www.thejournal.ie/clusters-meat-processing-plants-covid19-5094624-May2020

StrawberryJam200 · 11/05/2020 13:23

@BigChocFrenzy on the graphs and numbers thread has pointed out that to be able to truly compare the ONS numbers we need to know what percentage of each profession has been going to work since lockdown. I agree. Are all the white collar workers at the lower end safer because of something intrinsic to their profession OR because they started wfh earlier - OR indeed because of their ethnicity, living conditions, etc?

Although

Reastie · 11/05/2020 13:32

Anyone living in or have contact with someone living in another country, are other countries feeling as much despair and worry about how their own govt are handling things or is it just us English (I don’t count Scottish etc because they seem to have more sensible leaders)? Are we looked upon with concern and confusion in other countries?

Keepdistance · 11/05/2020 14:04

Yeah i agree with BCF that data is pretty much pointless
As it doesnt say who wa working or when the deaths are from.
Clearly teachers would be lower theyve been just teaching hubs you need the data from week 0-about 6-7 after half term...

Same with hair dressers are they still working.

I agree it actually shows we can reduce the deaths in other professionals to the level of nurses which would actually be a huge reduction of deaths!!
Or we could say the gov lack of masks and stearing on masks has already resulted in excess deaths over nurses. But we would expect most professions to actually be much lower so it is much worse than thst.
Construction seems low considering they are still working. Vit d maybe.
If we assume teacher deaths are related to catching prelockdown so in those 4w it has now been 12? So x3 where does that leave them...

Keepdistance · 11/05/2020 14:09

So say 7? Results in 21.
Yes im stsrting to feel SOB agsin and im not sure if it's from having been ill or just really cross and stressed about our gov.
I dont understand the papers said days ago people may be asked to wear masks on PT. We might all ha ve to wear masks.
I honestly want to confron t these 'experts' as unfortunately it's clear im brighter than they are.

I dont see how this helps the economy everyone who can choose to be home is goi g to be too scared to go out for a year!

HeIenaDove · 11/05/2020 16:57

The yellow Government poster? The mock up that has been shared to a local fb page from the LeaveEU page.

"Use Common Sense

Try to Take Responsibility for Yourselves

Fucking Grow Up"

Nice Well i hope the person who shared it doesnt get sick Because i will be very tempted to ask why they havent done those things.

Morons.

HeIenaDove · 11/05/2020 17:09

CourtNewsUK
@CourtNewsUK
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A homeless man has been charged with ‘leaving the place you were living, namely no fixed address’ during lockdown.

The judge is questioning the decision but CPS are determined it will go to trial.

Siriusmew · 11/05/2020 20:20

Just scanned the guidance from the Department of Education. Can't believe what I've just read!

Wearing a face covering or face mask in schools or other education settings is not recommended. Face coverings may be beneficial for short periods indoors where there is a risk of close social contact with people you do not usually meet and where social distancing and other measures cannot be maintained, for example on public transport or in some shops. This does not apply to schools or other education settings. Schools and other education or childcare settings should therefore not require staff, children and learners to wear face coverings

The majority of staff in education settings will not require PPE beyond what they would normally need for their work, even if they are not always able to maintain a distance of 2 metres from others

There is no clear consensus on how much or little children spread the virus, but they will send teaching staff in unprotected?

Reastie · 11/05/2020 20:54

@Siriusmew where did you find that? I can’t see it

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