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Neil Ferguson - is this Too good to be true?

437 replies

LilacTree1 · 05/05/2020 19:34

Resigns after breaking the lockdown?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/

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BigChocFrenzy · 06/05/2020 12:06

Hancock isn't the brightest spark, but he has done his best - it's unfortunately not a very competent best
re PPE, testing etc

Xenia · 06/05/2020 12:09

I don't agree we will have universal vaccination. on the Gov briefing yesterday a question was on vax and the doctor sensibly said well children are not at risk (so vaccination is likely to be something people over 70 get as now for flu surely). I believe only 400 people in the UK under 45 have died for this disease.

The problem with the UK is we have been the most compliant in the West and we love sitting at home with the children or without children and getting paid to be home. Lots of people have wanted this for decades. It is like a sabbatical. No way will they want to rush back to work. It will only be if it is no food or go back to work we will start to get many back.

Mikki2019 · 06/05/2020 12:09

Yeah I feel quite sorry for Matt Hancock

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 06/05/2020 12:16

I don’t like the way some people think this news is to distract us from the death rates here, as if we can only hold one fact in our head.

This is essentially you saying that because something shouldn't and doesn't have to be true, it isn't.

But of course this is behaviour that potentially has significant political capital for anyone wanting to use it. That much is obvious. It's extremely common in journalism to sit on stories like this until the optimum time to release them. Given that this happened a while ago, someone somewhere has taken a decision to keep schtum on it until now. We can assume it's a coincidence that the story has come out on the day the UK becomes the country in Europe with the highest death rates and wasn't done for political reasons if we want, but an assumption is all it would be.

LadyWithLapdog · 06/05/2020 12:20

The UK most compliant in the West? Lockdown has been much harsher in other countries.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 06/05/2020 12:22

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adiposegirl2 · 06/05/2020 12:24

Furgeson, Fauchi and the like- all branches of the same tree- all part of the cabal.

But the majority cannot comprehend because to do so would cause cognitive dissonance.

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 06/05/2020 12:27

Any sympathy I might have felt for Hancock has been sorely tested after yesterday's arsehole performance towards Rosena Allin-Khan.

SudokuBook · 06/05/2020 12:30

I don't agree we will have universal vaccination. on the Gov briefing yesterday a question was on vax and the doctor sensibly said well children are not at risk (so vaccination is likely to be something people over 70 get as now for flu surely).

I thought this but then apparently vaccines are less effective in older people? So I wondered if it might be an idea to vaccinate kids as well as the vulnerable groups (well those who can have vaccines) as it can be easily done in schools and might create some herd immunity? I don’t really know though

I have a feeling it will be an annual vaccine like the flu jab though

The80sweregreat · 06/05/2020 12:38

He wasn't helping a vulnerable person he was breaking the rules he told us to abide by! Many have done their best and been miserable and upset yet for weeks not seeing family and so on yet he can swan about doing what he likes? I'm sorry but he may have a big brain but his still an idiot. He must have guessed he'd be found out eventually unless he really thought he'd get away with it.
One rule for them ..

Mumlove5 · 06/05/2020 12:44

Can we now create a death-rate model from these unjustifiable lockdowns?

NYTimes -

Latest projection: A deep recession and ballooning unemployment in Europe.

The European Union’s economy is set to shrink by 7.4 percent this year, investment is expected to collapse and unemployment rates, debts and deficits will balloon in the brutal aftermath of the coronavirus pandemic, the European Commission said Wednesday.

To put these figures in perspective, the European Union’s economy had been predicted to grow by 1.2 percent this year, and in its worst recession, in 2009 during the financial crisis, its economy shrank by 4.5 percent.

Predicting the breadth of a recession can be a moving target, the commission admitted, and things could end up being much worse.

“The danger of a deeper and more protracted recession is very real,” the head of the commission’s economic unit, Maarten Verwey, said in the forecast’s foreword. The commission issues these forecasts four times a year.

Italy and Spain, the two countries worst hit by the disease, will see their economies shrink by more than 9 percent each. Greece, which had started turning a corner after a decade of economic calamity, will suffer the most of the union’s 27 nations, according to the forecasts, losing 9.7 of its economic output this year.

And unemployment is expected to be rampant, averaging 9 percent across the bloc and reaching 19.9 percent in Greece, the European Commission said.

The bloc’s biggest economy, Germany, will also be hammered, and its economy is projected to shrink by 6.5 percent for the year. France, the bloc’s second-largest economy, is expected to contract by 8.5 percent this year.

www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/world/africa/coronavirus-hunger-crisis.html

“This hunger crisis, experts say, is global and caused by a multitude of factors linked to the coronavirus pandemic and the ensuing interruption of the economic order: the sudden loss in income for countless millions who were already living hand-to-mouth;...”

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 06/05/2020 12:51

He wasn't helping a vulnerable person he was breaking the rules he told us to abide by!

It was her who came to visit him. There's no suggestion he actually left the house. If that's the case, it's her that potentially broke the rules not him, because the rules don't actually say anything about being a person who others visit without reasonable excuse.

ilovemydogandMrObama · 06/05/2020 12:57

Had to laugh at his girlfriend's explanation for going to his house in breach of government rules - she said that she considered them part of the, 'same household..' Grin

Stellamboscha · 06/05/2020 13:03

So it's okay if you've had it to break the lockdown then? I must have missed that part of the message. I had in Feb and lots of people I know have had it since, so by his rationale we have been pointlessly stating in the save the NHS when we didn't need to. At my sports club those of us who have had it can go back and mingle with others who have had it?
I'm in!

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 06/05/2020 13:04

Me too MrObama. Think she would've done better to say she was providing care to a vulnerable person!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/05/2020 13:18

The natural curve of virus’s is that they peak and go down, around 6-8 weeks ... Lockdown or no lockdown, probably with a similar outcome

I've seen this elsewhere and almost hope it isn't true ... because if it is, the cries of "it was all for nothing!!" will be deafening

OldLace · 06/05/2020 13:24

I see HandCock was putting the boot in on Sky earlier:

'I'm just speechless... a matter for the Police...' etc etc
And the sly: 'Mr...I mean, Prof Ferguson'

Yet Johnson breaks all Govt advice / Charles flies to Scotland etc etc
but when Ferguson's married lover visits (admittedly ill advised) it happens to come out at a politically expedient time for the Govt it is all faux-outrage

NotTerfNorCis · 06/05/2020 13:33

How did they know she visited him? Were journos stalking her?

TutorWoes · 06/05/2020 13:37

He's a absolute hypocrite. I can't visit my family but he can invite his mistress round his house for a shag. His arrogance is off the scale. Shame on him.

TutorWoes · 06/05/2020 13:40

I'm worried sick about the economy, the aftermath of this is going to be horrendous. It seems that the government are basing a lot of their decision making on what the 'experts' at imperial college say. This institution needs some scrutiny, esp now.

chomalungma · 06/05/2020 13:42

It seems that the government are basing a lot of their decision making on what the 'experts' at imperial college say

Why have you put 'experts' in inverted commas?

Xenia · 06/05/2020 13:45

How do we know? Not sure. Boris J's neighbours before he was PM recorded his argument with CS through the wall! Neighbours see things and report it.

TutorWoes · 06/05/2020 13:48

Well one of the 'experts' doesn't even believe his own advice, that I'm sure he is being well paid to disseminate to the nation.

PubsClubsMinistryOfSound · 06/05/2020 14:07

If he'd visited her I can't imagine why that would be kept quiet, since that's actually illegal.

Derbygerbil · 06/05/2020 14:24

@Mumlove5

Can we now create a death-rate model from these unjustifiable lockdowns?

Death rate from Bergamo is a good basis for a model... 6,000 dead from 1.1m with 35% showing antibodies.

Scale that up across Europe and imagine the carnage to the economy that would have ensued Hmm

If the UK, Spain and Italy had acted as fast and decisively as others, and recognised Covid for what it was sooner (ie not “just like the flu”) we’d be coming out the other side now like many other countries.

It is the likes of you, and those of similar mind, that have consistently sought to minimise Covid that are a significant part of why we are in this mess.

If people like you had taken action in early March, and not continued to say “it’s just the flu” as they pressed for Cheltenham etc to go ahead, we might not have needed this lock down you (and me!) so detest.

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