I don’t want the lockdown to be lifted yet

[Scousebird26]

Apologies if this thread has been done before, I’ve not seen it.

But am I in a minority for not wanting lockdown to end? I think it’s far too soon, and we have come to far too risk a second wave of it when there is still hundreds dying every day in hospital.

What are your thoughts on what Borris next step will be?

We are at risk of a second wave at any time until we are vaccinated which is ages away. Many of the reported deaths are actually weeks ago. We can't all stay in for a year. Many people are not eligible for government help as they fall through the cracks. I am in favour of a measured release. People who want to carry on staying at home of course can.

I think he will be outlining HOW we come out of lockdown and what measures need to be in place before we can this week but extending the lockdown for another 3 weeks. In fact last week when they were talking about recruiting for the contact tracing app and said it wouldn’t be ready for 3 weeks and that would be likely to be one of the measures needed to ease lockdown, so I think they’ve already said we will be in it for at least another 2/3 weeks before any easing.

I also think that by providing information on HOW we come out of it and estimated time frames in how long this might take they are hoping that if the public can see a way forward our patience won’t waver and we will keep to lockdown.

You are not alone.

I’m happy to stay like this longer. Expanding slightly on what is open but not major reopenings.

Can’t come soon enough for me.
I’m sick of people shaming others for daring to go to the supermarkets.
Children need to go back to school.
I need to see my son & give him a hug.
I need to get back to work properly instead of having to take shitty jobs to put food on the table because I’ve only been SE for year.
I need to have a purpose again instead of drifting from bottle of wine to another because I’m so lonely on my own

Isn’t it better to have a second wave now when the nhs has capacity than to have it smack bang in the middle of flu season? That’s like wishing for Armageddon.

It has been done before, lots of times There's no evidence to suggest lockdown will be 'lifted' but there are likely to be some changes to start that process. Which is a good thing.

I am anticipating a further period of lockdown but we do need to understand what the plan is going to be. Just telling everyone that’s it’s much too early to even consider talking about it is counterproductive. I suspect the plan will be revealed on Thursday but I’m not expecting anything significant will change at that point.

I think we also need a bit more understanding about what we are aiming for. For example, as I understand it we need new cases to be low so that test and trace can work effectively. How low is low? 1000? 500? 100? 10? They must be aiming for something.

I honestly think it needs to end in a gradual way. It’s not helping that the gov aren’t spelling out how it’s going to end and people are worried the doors are going to be flung open. If they was more open about the process people wouldn’t be so panicked about the second wave.

Realistically people need to start going back to work, furlough can’t go on forever, this isn’t good for mental health or children’s development.
There’s also the issue of the amount of still births, cancer deaths, suicides etc that will happen with the lockdown continuing. I know people with elderly relatives that will likely die in the next year of natural causes that are worried they won’t see them again. It’s weighing up the risks of how to manage it all. It’s getting the balance between avoidable deaths of corona and avoidable deaths of other causes.

Unfortunately corona is not going anywhere and there may never be a vaccine, I think there will be a new normal of no big gatherings, no social events/concerts for a year or two but we do need to ease back into work and gradually getting out and about.

Well, I live in the area which will trial the app. This has been drip fed to us over the past couple of weeks along with the suggestion that we would be released earlier. Now the trial in our locality has been confirmed, people are going nuts as we haven’t yet been told if we’re getting an ease of restrictions or not (although I cannot see for the life of me how it’s going to work if we’re still all in). As cases are still rising here I don’t want lockdown lifted yet, thank you.

You are not alone but I feel people are being particularly short sighted in assuming that Covid is the only thing that causes death.

• It was cited recently that there were 70% fewer cancer referrals in the last month than usual. This does not mean that there are 70% fewer people with potential cancer, but that they are scared to seek help and will therefore possibly die.
• My b-i-l is a paramedic, their cardiac cases are down 80% or thereabouts - this does not mean that there are 80% fewer cardiac cases but that people are afraid to seek help and are therefore dying as a result.
• The economy is going to hell in a handcart - there will be deaths due to suicide and poverty as a result of this.
• Mental health of children and teens will be shot. This needs to be taken into consideration before shouting for a longer lockdown.
• It would be better to have another peak now rather than in the winter when the NHS is already overwhelmed.

There are many factors to include. It is not as simple as "stay at home and save lives" - frankly, it never has been.

I also think it's too soon and the idea of easing lockdown appears to be based on the fact that new cases of the virus are less than they were. There are still plenty of new cases though, and deaths.

I've no idea what Boris/government plans to do next, it seems to change from day to day - even with a day. Obviously we can't be on lockdown forever but there needs to be better control of the disease before easing happens.

There is going to be a second wave and to be honest probably a third. This virus isn't going away. All we can do is control how many catch it and hopefully build up enough of a herd immunity to prevent further outbreaks leading to this situation again.

I want lockdown lifted. Encourage people to work from home etc but if my business doesn't open again soon we are going to be homeless and without food.

Going off the point, does anyone else keep having an advert pop up, taking over the page and difficult to get rid of, supposedly from BT offering a prize? This:
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I genuinely can't understand this attitude. Every week that we're in lockdown more children are suffering and dying at the hands of abusers. Domestic violence calls have gone up by 50%. People who could be saved are dying of strokes and heart attacks because the government has scared them so much they won't go to hospital. Cancers and other serious illnesses that could be treated are going undiagnosed. People with mental health conditions are struggling and suicides are going up. That's before the long term effect of job losses, lack of money for healthcare and other services kicks in.

Lockdown is an extreme measure that has very very serious consequences for the whole of society. Every single day it goes on it does irreparable damage. At some point that damage becomes greater than the benefit. I believe we're already well past that point.

Wishing for it to be extended means sentencing more people to death and many others to extreme and long term suffering. Protecting people from covid at serious expense to everyone else does not make any sense - at some point there has to be an acceptance that this illness is out there and that there has to be an balance between controlling it and shitting all over everyone's lives.

I am really shocked at how little people can think of the big picture and how fixated they've become on one virus, which for most people results in a few weeks of sickness, and for many people has no effect at all. I can't believe they're willing to sacrifice the lives and futures of so many people to avoid it. It makes no sense at all. It's fucking bizarre.

I can't wait for it to end but I agree bow is too soon.

I would like to see a gradual lifting between mid June - mid August (providing numbers still dropping) .

*now

The daily carbuncle well said, excellent post and no I don’t understand it either, other than to say it’s about selfishness.

I agree it's too early for places like cafes and diy stores to start re opening is unexpected at this time since we are still having so many deaths just doesn't seem right. A new cafe has opened in the village which is empty !pointless opening really ..we can't go back to normal as much as we would like to ! I agree with the other comments things like concerts and social events should wait until a year or at least until a vaccine is available

^*I genuinely can't understand this attitude. Every week that we're in lockdown more children are suffering and dying at the hands of abusers. Domestic violence calls have gone up by 50%. People who could be saved are dying of strokes and heart attacks because the government has scared them so much they won't go to hospital. Cancers and other serious illnesses that could be treated are going undiagnosed. People with mental health conditions are struggling and suicides are going up. That's before the long term effect of job losses, lack of money for healthcare and other services kicks in.

Lockdown is an extreme measure that has very very serious consequences for the whole of society. Every single day it goes on it does irreparable damage. At some point that damage becomes greater than the benefit. I believe we're already well past that point.

Wishing for it to be extended means sentencing more people to death and many others to extreme and long term suffering. Protecting people from covid at serious expense to everyone else does not make any sense - at some point there has to be an acceptance that this illness is out there and that there has to be an balance between controlling it and shitting all over everyone's lives.

I am really shocked at how little people can think of the big picture and how fixated they've become on one virus, which for most people results in a few weeks of sickness, and for many people has no effect at all. I can't believe they're willing to sacrifice the lives and futures of so many people to avoid it. It makes no sense at all. It's fucking bizarre.*^

This. We need to get a bit of normality back as soon as is reasonably possible.

And it should be government and science led. Not because you feel a bit uncomfortable.

Glenthebattle: " if my business doesn't open again soon we are going to be homeless and without food."

That is what is so frightening for many people. We hear about government help being available but is it, does it come through quickly, is it difficult to navigate?

It's easy for a retired person like me but I do feel for those who could be on the verge of losing everything (my own son isn't being paid at the moment).

It is also terribly difficult for those with young children and those who have chronic health problems or are pregnant. Mental health services are woefully inadequate at the best of times but right now, very difficult to access.

If someone had told me people would fear a virus with a 95%+ recovery rate so much that they'd actually choose for their country to be utterly destroyed, to be made completely penniless so that there was no money for schools, healthcare, social care, roads, literally not a penny left in the coffers, no hope for their children, no jobs, no nothing, I'd have said they were mad. Turns out I was wrong.

Lockdown will mean that if you want cancer treatment next year for that totally treatable cancer you unfortunately contract, it's likely you won't get it. Because there will be no money for it. You'll have to die.

Lockdown will mean that by January your house will be in negative equity.

Lockdown will mean that that big company that your company depended on goes bust, so your 'secure' job disappears.

Lockdown will mean that the kids who have worked really hard at school for years will struggle for many years more to get anywhere in a tanked and struggling economy.

That's the absolute least of what will happen.

Why are people not only accepting this, but actually asking for more???

The biggest limiting factor in getting back to normal is the 2m social distancing, so I’d expect that to be reduced maybe and a reminder to wash hands and not touch face.

I think the situation is changing daily, and the Gov is still collecting information about the best way to go. They want to get the best information about what's happening in other countries as they lift their lockdown. Also, if they tell us what they plan to do ahead of time, people will anticipate it and change what they do too soon.

If someone had told me people would fear a virus with a 95%+ recovery rate so much that they'd actually choose for their country to be utterly destroyed, to be made completely penniless so that there was no money for schools, healthcare, social care, roads, literally not a penny left in the coffers, no hope for their children, no jobs, no nothing, I'd have said they were mad. Turns out I was wrong

It’s likely closer to 99 percent, but past that I agree with you.