I don’t want the lockdown to be lifted yet

[Scousebird26]

Apologies if this thread has been done before, I’ve not seen it.

But am I in a minority for not wanting lockdown to end? I think it’s far too soon, and we have come to far too risk a second wave of it when there is still hundreds dying every day in hospital.

What are your thoughts on what Borris next step will be?

You are not alone, I think the lockdown shouldn't be lifted too soon, it should go on longer to get the numbers down as low as possible, look at places like New Zealand which have achieved this.

The return should be phased, throughout July and August, and schools should be back in September. But it won't happen like that, schools will be back in June (in my opinion only).

I'd love to go out for a coffee, I'd love to see my family, but I would put up with the hardship to stay safe and for others to stay healthy.

You're not alone OP. It's too early.

We locked down several weeks after Spain and Italy. If they're only just easing now, there's no way we should be doing the same just yet.

If you dont want to go out, then dont. You lose your job, you keep your kids off school, you be miserable as sin stuck in.

The rest of us would quite like this shit show to be over thanks. Were all losing patience and getting pissed off. We cnat wait til a vaccine so we'll have to risk it at some point.
If you want to hide in for the next 18 months that's your choice, go ahead. Dont inflict your ridiculousness on the rest of us.

However I have no faith that the twattish government are gonna end this debacle anytime soon!!!

Well lockdown isn’t about to be lifted today is it? Earliest is a couple of weeks. So that fits in with other countries who are a couple of weeks ahead of us doesn’t it?

We'll recover from the hit to the economy. Death is permanent.

Aside from all the deaths as a result of the failed economy which are likely to be worldwide and much higher than covid-19.

The lockdown has done what it was supposed to, 'flattened the curve' so that hospitals weren't overrun. There was always going to be a second wave. Right now we need to look longer term and wider than covid because the damage done will last years and affect millions. Numbers being reported are unreliable as we see them because there is a delay in them being reported, it's the R0 number that is the best indicator (which I believe is below 1 now? Happy to be corrected on that though!)

I'm sure some of those wringing their hands now that lockdown needs to continue will be right there calling for change when preventable deaths are happening for years to come.

In my city in Asia things are starting to open up. Nonetheless people are quite limited still in what they choose to do. Most office/white collar jobs are still on work from home even though the offices are allowed to reopen fully. Restaurants are open with increased distance between tables but customers are still preferring takeaway over dining in. People are waiting until their hair is completely out of control before going to the barber. Several of my friends have put off fairly necessary dentist visits because of nerves around transmission risk. Gyms are going to reopen next week but there is no way I would be caught dead in one anytime soon.

So long as this virus is around and there is no reliable treatment, most rational people will still choose to stay at home as much as possible, no matter what is open. But I think from a mental health perspective, allowing people the choice does help with the situation. I am not going to a restaurant but somehow knowing that I can makes it all feel a bit less oppressive.

Well lockdown isn’t about to be lifted today is it? Earliest is a couple of weeks.

Boris could well choose to lift it on Thursday - that's the next review date.

I'd love to see my family, but I would put up with the hardship to stay safe and for others to stay healthy.

This is like you seem to not understand that people are dying now because of the lock down, from,mental health issues, to substance abuse to domestic violence to lack of normal hospital care.

I don’t really understand your post, are you of the impression we only die from Covid and are otherwise immortal? Or do those suffering and dying for non Covid reasons not matter?

@Sunshinegirl82 fingers crossed.
My reference to not understanding the virus was more in response to the “we’re all going to get it” and “most of us will get over it in two weeks” brigade.

@feetfreckles, I agree. We did it after the Second World War, we’ll do it again. There’s no appetite in the country for another wave of austerity. And I don’t think this particular government has the appetite for it either. We’ll just inflate our way out of if, as will the rest of the world. Whereas we can never bring back those who have died.

@TheDailyCarbuncle great post

For those not wanting it to be lifted, you can carry on staying inside, it is your choice to do so. It's time to start easing the lockdown. If he doesn't say that people are able to see their family then it will result in people doing it regardless, I hope the government will be well aware of that

Apparently other deaths don't seem to matter at the moment, nor the sheer hell some adults and children will be going through in their homes. Maybe if it was them in that situation they'd be thinking a little differently

Look at the death rates from the ONS. It was not sweeping the uk in November

I am one who may be much more seriously affected, I may sound callous, I am trying to keep rational and calm

There is a huge difference between an econ9my collapsing in an uncontrolled fashion , aka I no lockdown, and an economy that is being held in a suspended state artificially for a short time

Whilst a lot of people are not working, the majority still are working.

Whereas we can never bring back those who have died

Are you talking about those who have died needlessly during lock down or Covid deaths?

I am well aware of people dying of other illnesses, mental health being effected- my ad tablets have just been doubled. I don’t want to be stuck in doors, I don’t want my son missing out on seeing our friends, I’m a single mother and I Haven’t seen my friends in weeks like everyone else and I am so down about this.

I will be the first to admit I’m unaware of the ins and outs of it all, I maybes don’t understand it fully. All I’m saying is if it is safer to take extra precautions for a few more weeks instead of rushing into it then so be it. I have lost a member of my family to this dreadful virus, he had to die alone with nobody around him and it scares me.

@TheDailyCarbuncle Thank you for saying everything I think.

I think they fact that the NHS hasn’t been overwhelmed and still has spare capacity will have some impact on the easing of lockdown.

Yes the nhs capacity is key, because that’s why we locked down in the first place, to ensure we didn’t breach capacity, we have not done so, and so it makes sense to then release people and use some of that capacity,

People really need to grasp we didn’t lock down to eradicate it. It was solely it ensure we didn’t breach the nhs,

@feetfreckles I didn't say it was 'sweeping' the UK in November, it was however going around. Because no one knew there was a new virus out there it was considered to be flu. They have already stated that that was the case in Italy and France but for some reason no effort at all is being made to show that the same happened here (which it definitely did - I would be any amount of money on it).

bet any amount of money.

Covid has a low fatality rate - most people get ill and get better, some people are ill for quite a while. Some people die. But as it was spreading in November all the people who had a dry cough and felt rough either thought they had flu or had 'something viral' - no one thought 'oh wait this is something new and nasty.' So no one recorded anything unusual and any deaths were just put in as part of the normal flu deaths, of which there are thousands every year. It was only after a few months when huge numbers of people were infected that there were large numbers in hospital - more people infected=more hospitalisations, it's just about numbers, nothing to do with it being 'deadly.'

There is some chatter about this current wave actually being the second wave. We had the first wave in December/Janaury, but it wasn't recognised as such. Interesting to see where this hypothesis goes.

@TheDailyCarbuncle
Couldn't have said it better myself agree with everything you've just said.

It has to start being lifted.
It was sold to us on the basis that we needed to flatten the curve and make sure the NHS could cope with the issues specific to Covid, which is why Nightingale Hospitals were created and are now standing down.
We now need to deal with the rest of life, including other physical health needs, which have been put on hold, even though many more people die of things other than Covid; mental health; getting people back to work so that there is tax to pay for the NHS, etc.
There is the added burden of the impending crisis to the elderly - from the lack of mobility, stimulation and lack of Vitamin D from sunlight - and a rise in inequality in terms of health, wealth and education; and these are also going to cost an enormous amount of money to deal with that has to be found from taxes.
If individuals wish to remain locked down then that is their choice - though obviously it will become increasingly difficult for the government to subsidise that decision as time goes on due the severity of the coming recession.

We don't want a second wave in winter I don't get the logic of it send the kids back June not in September when the weather turns it will be awful then worse then it is now way worse!
I'm pregnant and am concerned about the virus but my logical side is taking over in the fact we are sacrificing our freedom our children's education other health issues and mental health and where does it end.
Make the process gradual but we need to have some normality back especially for the kids this isn't good for them I don't think. I keep seeing posts on Facebook my Childs life is more important than money etc etc why do people think their children will die from this it is so rare ? Fear spreads fear

@TheDailyCarbuncle if it were the case that it was around over winter, why didn’t it spread rapidly, with peaking death rates, as it is now? What happened in March to make it suddenly start to spread so quickly and kill so many more people? It would have shown in the overall death rate if there had been a spike over winter, whether that was attributed to flu or not.

It would have shown in the overall death rate if there had been a spike over winter

There was a spike in deaths in January, put down to flu, see ONS data. Tests obviously not done at the time. As for peaking at different times, that what virus pandemics do. They hang around and infect a few people, change a bit, infect a few more, and then either go away, or have an exponential surge, sometimes in a different set of people, sometimes not. I am sure we will find out eventually.