AIBU to think in the future we will look back on this and think this was such a big overreaction?

[JUSTJUDY10101]

Preparing myself to get flamed for this.
Isn't it true that the majority of us will get mild symptoms and not even notice we really had it?
Yes hundreds of people are dying a day from it and yes they are not just numbers, but are they dying 'of' it or 'with' it?

People.die everyday, why have we locked down for this but we never did for the swine flu?

Is it worth ruining the economy for?

I just want other thoughts incase i'm just being stupid

lets not also forget that these deaths are WITH corona not necessarily caused by

What does that mean ? how do you know that Covid-19 wasn't the cause of the actual thing that killed the person ? Do people think Doctors are only writing Covid-19 on MCCD's and leaving out all other information ? It doesn't work like that. They write down the thing that killed you first, so for example ARDS , caused by Covid-19, also had a current diagnosis of cancer. So the cancer meant you were at an increased risk of developing severe symptoms from Covid-19 , but the ARDS was what killed you. You developed that because of the Covid-19 infection. The cancer alone would not have caused you to develop ARDS.

Does that make sense ?

I think it's equally possible we may look back and realise we handled it badly in that governments failed to clamp down hard enough.

With lockdown, it’s become apparent that it is possible to reduce the infection rate so that each infected person passes it to less than one other person.

What that means, is that had we clamped down hard and fast, this disease might have been eradicated altogether.

Now we are likely going to have to deal with a new endemic disease that still has the potential to mutate into something worse. Even if it doesn’t, if it turns out it's not possible to create a vaccine, then this will continue to move through the population, so we have a new cause of pneumonia that will continue to kill people, year on year. We also don’t know yet whether there are long-term problems after apparent recovery.

Until this has passed and we can see the long-term effects, we can’t judge. The world we return to will be different and we can’t predict whether long-term it will be better or worse. A lot of things were pretty awful before this began. As someone pointed out on another social media platform the other day, our long-working hour, mass commuting, 24/7 lifestyle was not exactly conducive to good mental health either. We can only wait and see what emerges.

Do these answer your question about dying from / dying of?

If anything the number of deaths caused by COVID is understated, not overstated. If COVID isn’t causing the extreme rise in deaths over the average from the previous five years, what is?

Yes. Anybody who actually knew how death certificates have to be completed wouldn't even be raising the question of "of vs with".

Yep 100%

Absolutely ridiculous !

Once (if they ever do) the gov gets round to instigating immunity testing we willl see how low the death rate actually is

@frumpety it means that for eg someone terminally ill may have had cv when they died but it didn’t cause their death.

My ‘mild symptoms’ kept me off work for four weeks. Even though the test has shown that I’m now negative, I’m not really sure I’m totally clear of it.

Look at the lung thread, there’s plenty of others who have been poorly for more than 5-10 days.

A friend of mine had swine flu. She was seriously ill with it, and it still affects her years later. It wasn’t a mild illness.

The whole world is in lockdown, so it’s hardly a minor episode.

@JUSTJUDY10101

I haven't read the whole thread, but in answer yo your question, yes you are stupid. (you did ask)

Just imagining that we didn't have lockdown...

If 80 per cent of the UK population get coronavirus, and the mortality rate is at an optimistic 1 per cent - you will get 500,000 people dead - spread over all age groups.

With all the information out there from other countries and like - the whole world - maybe you could try using your brain instead of asking ridiculously daft questions on Mumsnet.

But how do you know they were in last days/weeks of life @Mikki2019 ? People can be terminally ill for years.

unless you work in a hospital, or as a registrar, registering deaths, a funeral director, or you are affected personally some other way.
people may well forget

And how do you know that Covid-19 didn't cause the thing that actually killed them ?

Perfectly possible, but also possible that what we did was right. I think what we did was cautious based on what we knew at the time.

Look at the Nightingale Hospitals.

There are already people saying they were an overreaction.

A contagious virus where you don't know whether it's going to affect you mildly or put you in hospital that has no cure currently. Yes, such an overreaction
Ask the PM about how it's a big pile of nothing.

I dont know , frumptey but it would be up to the medic to use their medical judgment to decide, not people on mumsnet !

No

What other world pandemic can you name that so many people are been tested positive for and died from in less than six months ?

Don’t complain when things go right.

The lower death rates are a result of lockdown - they could have been sky high. That risk is what ministers are now trying to avoid post lockdown.

Haven’t RTFT on the basis that it is unlikely to be full of economics PhDs or virologists or politicians in every country on earth devoting their time to considering all the implications.

Best result for anyone in this is boredom.

I think it depends where you are sitting to be honest. I rarely see these posts from people on the front line , they always feel a bit smug to be honest because you get to question it from the safety and security of your own home. Granted I am also wfh but I sit all day every day on zooms with Care service learners. Some who cry because of the sheer velocity of deaths. Some who look beaten , some who are so exhausted they fall asleep (I promptly insist those take a break in learning).

No , from their seats we have no overreacted. They are in hell. They are watching people die horribly and stats are bullshit and they know it.

The frustration is that it will people like yourself op who view this from a lauded and vaulted safe seat who will come out afterwards and minimize it. Detract from the hell some people are experiencing.

I have no skin in the game, I have no need to just pile on, but I do see the retraction of what my ex colleagues and learners are experiencing by people constantly downplaying the seriousness of this.

No. The opposite - haven't reacted enough. We'd have been in a right state by now without lockdown. Plague pits, no individual burials... just awful. Too many people off sick at once to keep the economy going, plus proper lockdown means the government help of grants and furlough. It's been awful enough death wise even with lockdown.

I think we had to lock down, for a couple of reasons. No one knew How the virus would evolve, to not do so would have been a massive risk, no one wants people to be denied treatment and for people to be dying on corridors.

In addition the public screamed for it. The government couldn’t take the gamble and ignore that.

However now, yes we need to lift it and live with the virus and manage it, not hide at home. People can still do that, home school, quit their jobs, claim benefits whatever, and the shielded group should be protected, but it’s been nearly two months and we need to get back to normal.

"Don’t complain when things go right.

The lower death rates are a result of lockdown - they could have been sky high"

I wouldn't call what is happening in the UK "right" by any measure.

25,000 in a couple of months seems high enough to me.

snow

Think perhaps you need to do a little research into comparison of death rates between countries...and why the medical and scientific advisers warn against it.

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www.bbc.com/news/52311014

I think it will be a long time (decades) before we can really really whether the balance of lockdown was worth it. For now, yes I believe what we are doing is right and it isn't an overreaction. If it goes on for years at the detriment of everything else then no, that would be too much.