AIBU to think in the future we will look back on this and think this was such a big overreaction?

[JUSTJUDY10101]

Preparing myself to get flamed for this.
Isn't it true that the majority of us will get mild symptoms and not even notice we really had it?
Yes hundreds of people are dying a day from it and yes they are not just numbers, but are they dying 'of' it or 'with' it?

People.die everyday, why have we locked down for this but we never did for the swine flu?

Is it worth ruining the economy for?

I just want other thoughts incase i'm just being stupid

[ToffeeYoghurt]

Thought I should let people know.
The OP @JUSTJUDY10101 has taken on board comments from posters here. She said that ages ago. It was refreshing to see.

[Derbygerbil]

@JUSTJUDY10101

Ironically, the reason we needed a lockdown was due to people, such as yourself, who minimise and continue to minimise Covid.

Your likening it to Swine Flu is a good example of what is an incredible feat of denial..... We have seen what happens when Covid gets out of control... Take Bergamo - 6,000 Covid deaths out of a population of 1.1m - and even then antibody tests indicate “only” 35% have been infected in the area. Scale that up and its 350-400,000 deaths in the UK... which presumably have been worse as the “it’s only flu” brigade had their way and we’d be double that before we’d eventually shaken it off. Do you really think the economy would have continued blithely along if that had happened?

Perhaps if there were fewer Covid minimisers we’d have been able to have adopted Sweden’s model, or we’d have locked down much sooner and be closer to the other side. Imagine, if we’d all done what NZ had done - locked down hard and fast - it would nearly be over.

The very reason we’re in this mess, and will continue to be for a long time yet, is the likes of you and your those who continue to deny Covid and it’s impact.

[Nicedayforawedding]

Disgusted by another thread like this. How disrespectful to the families of those who have lost loved ones through Coronavirus.

Perhaps you should just express gratitude that you have been fortunate not to have lost someone you loved through this horrific virus.

[Sosadandempty]

Underreacted, unintelligently, too late, added to a policy of keeping the NHS from being overwhelmed at all costs, which has resulted in people dying unnecessarily due to either being admitted to hospital too late or not at all.

Plus the utter failure of PPE provision leading to HCPs and other frontline workers unnecessarily dying.

And Boris Johnson gaslights us by standing outside Downing Street calling our reaction to the virus a success.

[EdwinaMay]

We have hundreds of MPs, and hundreds of oldies in teh House of Lords and no one seems to have come up wtih the idea that we should prepare or at least have a plan for when disaster strikes. Also mayors, police chiefs. Heads of teh NHS.

Ridiculous really.

[Inkpaperstars]

I agree BlueGhecko

I know I am preaching to the choir here, but..They are talking today about the seeds of the outbreak being sown by people returning from Spain and Italy, as now shown by genetic analysis. Well, you don't say. The clue was when there were only five or six cases confirmed in a county and all but one were Italy returnees, one South Korea. Probably in some counties all first cases were Italy returnees. But did anyone stop them going, or returning? No. Did anyone quarantine them on return? No. Did anyone at least enforce isolating at home even if not symptomatic? No. Did they advise isolating at home even if not symptomatic? No. Not one of those things. All they did was put out advice that many didn't even hear, advising people to isolate if they got symptoms. It wasn't enforced, so many didn't, and often those who did had already infected multiple other people.

If we could draw a family tree of the UK outbreak, that is a huge part of it. Yes, it was inevitable the virus would spread here, but without that early influx being so poorly handled, how much smaller would the first phase have been?

I keep trying to work out how I must be wrong on this because the advisers must know better, but so far I still can't see how there could have been no point trying to control that influx of infected travellers. They even said themselves that a contain phase was the aim, but it was the most half hearted attempt at contain I could imagine. Or at least it seemed like it. As I say I still am kind of hoping to be proved wrong because it is so frustrating and upsetting. I can't help wondering if we had a chance to have far fewer deaths and a much shorter lockdown. But I still think either I am wrong, in which case fine. Or, surely if it's true, then the govt must have ignored at least some of the scientific advice.

[B1rdbra1n]

👀😁🤭

[T0tallyFuckedUpFamily]

You just reminded me of this, B1rdbra1n

[B1rdbra1n]

Next global event?
My vote goes to disclosure of alien civilizations👽

[DameFanny]

Only if you're the sort of moron who says 'that y2k thing was a panic for nothing' and ignores the millions of hours spent on corrective work so that things wouldn't crash to a halt

[ToffeeYoghurt]

I agree BlueGheko we can only hope, with talk of ending lockdown we don't repeat the same mistakes. If we end lockdown too soon we'll be seeing even more avoidable deaths and further long-term economic damage. They were deeply short-sighted.

Blood on their hands even more so by failing to treat patients. Not admitting people until a serious stage when chances of survival are lower. Other countries are treating earlier and they're giving antivirals. These drugs are no miracles but they can certainly help many people. We need to follow suit.

[BlueGheko]

The government have blood on their hands as far as I'm concerned. I was telling anyone who'd listen back in January that we should close the borders and quarantine anyone coming into the uk but no they waited until it had spread throughout the country then waited some more. Ironic that people are now probably going to be quaranteened wherever they travel. So much of this was avoidable. I work in an industry that uses Ppe and had the foresight to order extra supplies in Jan/Feb, but the government and care home owners etc didn't? How just how did they not? The very very least they should have done was advise the elderly to self isolate sooner, my parents have been in isolation since way before the government told them to as I could see what was coming a mile off.

[Figmentofmyimagination]

Well if Neil Ferguson at Imperial’s predictions were correct, then unchecked, it could have caused upwards of 250,000 extra deaths - that’s a lot of out of control deaths, piling up. And you can count in that number 1,000s who, while not necessarily being in great shape, should no way be facing death in a wealthy country in 2021. This lockdown will have kept 1,000s of ordinary people alive for at least another 15-20 years. They are all loved dearly by someone.

[Bimbleboo]

Oh how annoying is it when your strike through text doesn’t work so you just sound illiterate instead of smartarsed. Damn.

[Bimbleboo]

@ChavvySexPond honestly this. A hundred times.

People wanted to believe it wasn’t going to be that big a deal in Britain so they mocked and raged at people for scaremongering if they posted about fearing what was coming.

Now people don’t want to hear about it because they want their normal lives back, feel they’ve ‘done their bit’ now and don’t want to have to consider what that means for some others (usually those less fortunate than them before covid) so they are loudly shouting down anyone who asks why on Earth they are whining about lockdown at a time like this, and they are bleating on about being fed up, bored, frustrated or annoyed at not getting to do what they want when they want while these inconvenient tens of thousands won’t just hurry up and die quietly and let them live their lives again the country having a mental health crisis.

[WiseUpJanetWeiss]

I guess the nhs will just decide who dies and who doesn't. They have capacity now and know what's coming

What on earth are you talking about? It’s not possible to knit intensive care nurses and Drs you know.

[The80sweregreat]

I guess the nhs will just decide who dies and who doesn't. They have capacity now and know what's coming. We have to put our trust in them. It's all we can do if there's a second wave. There might not be! Nobody knows.

[WiseUpJanetWeiss]

Despite the huge economic fallout of this, I think Covid 19 will be remembered as the beginning of a long chain of 'global events' in the 21st century - so overreaction no, but naivety about it's significance or 'uniqueness' in light of the trajectory we're all on - yes.

This. It’s a game changer. There will be a second peak of Covid-19. The only question is whether we’ll be able to keep it to a level that will not be catastrophic for the NHS, and by extension for everyone.

[RuffleCrow]

Like a pp i swing between being terrified and feeling like it's all blown out of proportion. MN is weird because it's somewhere were virtually nobody is directly affected, it seems. I suppose the middle class bubble label was accurate. The area i grew up in was very mixed, very wc and has been devastated by the sounds of things. But very few mners living round there i guess.

[Jamclag]

I think many people are thinking they will look back at Covid 19 and lockdown as the most historically significant event in their lifetime.

However, I can't help thinking this is just the beginning of a new era of world changing events, whether that's further pandemics, resource wars or climate related instability. Despite the huge economic fallout of this, I think Covid 19 will be remembered as the beginning of a long chain of 'global events' in the 21st century - so overreaction no, but naivety about it's significance or 'uniqueness' in light of the trajectory we're all on - yes.

[bellinisurge]

In future, we will look back on this to ask why the fuck did we think we were so special that we didn't need to go into lockdown earlier.

[TheCanterburyWhales]

So the research about carehomes is 9 years old and only covers Bupa homes? And points out Bupa residents tend to be more frail upon entering the homes than the "average" carehome resident.

I thought the figure was strange.

Thanks.

[Mybrowneyedgal]

No I don't think this is an overreaction. I know several people who have been hospitalised and a family member has died. If we hadn't locked down it would be many more. Calling it an overreaction feels like your belittling the lives of those who are at risk, and the lives of those who have been saved and lost. It sounds very cruel.

I understand the effect on mental health and I hope they will start to ease lockdown rules in a way that can support that. Going forward, there will need to be changes as most people's anxieties are heightened and the government will need to ensure that people are supported.

But I for one am so glad we locked down and chose people's lives over the economy.

[WiseUpJanetWeiss]

@Querlouse
I think lack of PPE has been an issue but I don't blame the government for that.

Why not? The PPE stockpile is absolutely the government’s responsibility. Trusts aren’t funded to stockpile PPE.

[ChavvySexPond]

Isn't it more of an "I'm all right Jack" kind of deliberate under-reaction?

Some people want their normal lives back so hundreds of deaths a day every day has to be minimised and explained away.

And they'd rather we all shut up about it to to be honest.

They're not dying. They're not being widowed, They're not in the 38% of us that have pre-existing conditions. Their children still have grandparents.

So they'd rather not be bothered with hearing about it.