AIBU to think in the future we will look back on this and think this was such a big overreaction?

[JUSTJUDY10101]

Preparing myself to get flamed for this.
Isn't it true that the majority of us will get mild symptoms and not even notice we really had it?
Yes hundreds of people are dying a day from it and yes they are not just numbers, but are they dying 'of' it or 'with' it?

People.die everyday, why have we locked down for this but we never did for the swine flu?

Is it worth ruining the economy for?

I just want other thoughts incase i'm just being stupid

Is there a reason you name changed for this?

It's got a death rate of between 1-3%, so if that's allowed to spread through the whole population then you're looking at between 600,000 and 1.8m dead. And obviously the NHS would collapse etc.

When you mention dying 'with' and not 'of' it - well I think that's not quite right. If you had an aunt who was diabetic and in her 70s, and who died, they'd be counted in the statistics as having underlying heath issues etc, but in reality that aunt might have lived quite happily to her 90s! These deaths aren't just extremely elderly people who were already on their deathbeds!

So YABU

Yabu
All these deaths and only wave 1...

I don't think the economy is worth more than people's lives but I fear the mental health issues that will come from this will be just as bad

YABU. A lot of these measures were put into place to protect the vulnerable. The elderly, those with medical conditions such as asthma, heart problems, cancer et al. Healthy people are dying and those who work in the NHS itself.
I believe if nothing was implemented a lot of us here, would not be commenting on MN.
If you can fathom the figures of deaths per day such as 400 people, image 400 in a room. Imagine it as a school for number purposes. All wiped out from a virus.
Now, imagine what it would be like if no one washed their hands, social distanced and carried on working, went out to pubs, visited friends etc. That figure would have a few more zeros on it.
How difficult is it to imagine the worse case scenario?

YANBU

More people are dying of this every day than dies of swine flu in total. Your argument that this is an over reaction based on that is flawed.

It's as ThePlatypus says. And whilst unfortunately we can't go backwards, we can learn from our mistakes back in January and February. We are currently faced with similar decisions. Will we make the same mistake twice? Pretend it's all gone away, pretend we don't have a highly contagious deadly virus on the loose. Yes, and we get a second wave, predicted to be worse than the first (which is bad enough). Or we learn a lesson and decide against premature end to lockdown.

We will need to ease it at some point but let's hope it's only when it's safe to do so. The government's reported plans for phased returns to schools and workplaces is a sensible one. When we're ready. In the meantime what we really should be asking is has the government ordered sufficient quantities of the antivirals that seem to help. If not, they need to get on with doing that.

JUSTJUDY

You are repeating a thread that has been done so many times it is getting boring.

MH issues that come about as a result of the pandemic should be tackled, yes. We will certainly need more provision for bereavement counselling. It's about time MH received more funding. It's positive to see so many people on these threads expressing concern. It demonstrates the public would support a better funded MH service.

OP - do you think the scenes of hospitals being overwhelmed in Italy and Wuhan are a good thing to avoid?

Yes this lockdown will have a mental health toll, but the alternative (more widespread infection and death) would also have a mental health toll. Delayed imposition of the lockdown likely increased the peak of infections/death and duration of lockdown (with all its side effects)

Countries where they locked down earlier, more strictly are likely to have shorter lockdown.

See, when people trot out the "mental health issues " I get mad. There are people with anxiety who will be worried if we lift lockdown. There will be people with claustrophobia for whom lockdown is a godsend. And there are people who are just ",stressed out" by lockdown. Because not being able to go for a wander around the shops is stressing them. We are all dealing with not being able to see family etc, but the internet is great, we can all see each. other! I don't get why people are whinging so mucn

Oh we 100% need more money into mental health services after this with bereavement, anxiety, depression after job losses and difficulty finding another job, businesses going bust after years of working to build it up, the stress of furlough of when or if theyll return to work.

I guess unless you come out of lockdown and get a huge second wave then you will never know if it was an over reaction or not. If you hadn't done it you may have lost hundreds of thousands more people but you may also have hit a similar peak. Personally I think it would have been the former but at this stage nobody really knows exactly what would have happened.

I do know that in Australia we are more spaced out generally and that we quickly put social distancing measures in place and seemingly as a result we have a very low infection rate and death toll compared to many other countries.

What would your solution have been and how do you envision that would have played out OP? (genuine question)

Swine flu was different and the one good thing about it was that is died out much quicker. When someone was infected they feel ill shortly after meaning they stayed home. I got it and was proper ill for 9 days where I was too ill to do anything but stay at home. This one has a longer quarantine, is contagious before symptoms show and highly contagious with a far higher death rate than the swine flu. Lockdown, distancing and increased hygiene is the only reasons more people aren't dead because of C-19.

Unless you have a time travel machine then you are being unreasonable.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Maybe this will be seen as a massive overreaction maybe it won't. You don't know, nobody knows. Why don't you find something more constructive to do with your time than starting a ridiculous thread on Mumsnet.

A lot of people will probably look back and think it was an overreaction because many people find it so hard to grasp the concept of prevention. If these measures hadn't been put in place, the death toll right now would be staggering.

@ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs it's condescending the way you say people are 'just stressed because they can't wander around the shops'.
So those with anxiety about wanting to get out of lockdown are 'just stressed' whereas those who have anxiety about leaving lockdown are genuinly anxious, depressed etc.
It works both ways actually. Those who want to go for a 'wander around the shop' might not cope well being stuck in the house, in the same way those who can't cope with the thought of leaving the house.

My mental health (OCD) is much better because of lock down. I'm far happier. In normal times I am stressed every day.

@PastMyBestBeforeDate that's good for you but that doesn't generalise to you. Many others aren't so lucky and will be facing stresses of loss of income, redundancies looming, isolation and loneliness

*doesnt generalise to everyone
I meant

@EveryLifeHasASoundtrack you sound lovely. Please learn to express an opinion without namecalling.

It's funny how we need more money into mental health now the 'normal' people are out of their comfort zone. Nobody cared in December.

you sound lovely.

Thanks hun. I am rather lovely.

Now go educate yourself. HTH.