Time to get real people

[cookingmywaythroughlockdown]

Ok I think it's time to get a grip on reality!

Coronavirus is pretty nasty but it isn't apocalypse now time. Most of us are going to get it at some point and we will be just fine. So will our families and friends.
The UK cannot stay locked down for much longer without producing a national disaster that will reverberate for decades. So - you will be going back to work, your kids will be going back to school. Wash your hands well and enjoy your lives.
I'm just so sick of the posts prophesying carnage and really enjoying competitive isolation. For most people living like this is borderline harmful. For some it is already actively harmful.

We have to come out from under the bed. Wear a mask, wear gloves if you like but be prepared to live a normal if socially distanced life.

All epidemics burn themselves out eventually. We are much better placed to treat and protect the vulnerable then ever before. At some point soon we have to just get on with it.

Imagine some MNers had been around during WWII. Air sirens going off but walking down the street "Eh, I've got to take Tyler and Riley to school and then am off to the hairdresser with me mam", and someone else sitting on a blanket in the park "I need to meditate for me mental health".

Sorry I know it's entirely inappropriate but that did make me laugh. I am however very aware that there was an awful lot of non compliance during wars.

At some point soon we have to just get on with it.

Oh, right. So every person who is particularly vulnerable by reason of, for instance, heart and lung problems, should just get on with catching Covid 19 and dying?

But what you are suggesting is what is happening @cookingmywaythroughlockdown

You are massively behind the curve if you think your post should be taken seriously. We have avoided carnage of between 500,000 and 750,000 UK deaths - and all that would go with that in terms of indirect human cost - by having this lockdown. The next phases are to manage the move into a new kind of normal.

What but don’t you quite get yet??

News are just saying lots of people who are really ill with this end up with kidney problems.

And millions of doses of vaccine should be available by the end of the year.

Most of us are going to get it at some point and we will be just fine.

I haven’t read through the thread but two points. I don’t believe the govt are advocating for this level of lockdown for many more months, but until the R number has got low enough and for long enough to not risk the R number getting above 1 v soon and the spread to rapidly increase again.

Also not all experts believe that until a vaccine or effective medication that reduces the chance of the virus becoming severe is developed the only option is to let most people get it. They point to S Korea, Germany etc who have used large scale testing, tracing and quarantine to keep cases down until a vaccine is developed. I believe the govt are belatedly now trying to get testing, tracking and hopefully quarantining - as waste of time if not - capacity much increased. Once they have they can along with other measures start easing lockdown and hopefully keep cases down until a vaccine is developed. Also there are concerns by some experts that some patients infected may develop post viral long term ill health problems which if turns out to be the case is another reason besides it killing some people (yes mortality rate loos low at estimated 1% but if millions get it that translates into a lot of deaths) to try and not let a significant % of the population to become infected.

Finally, I read an article the other day 49% of working population have still been working throughout lockdown so it’s not a total lockdown.

@TheCanterburyWhales I suspect so.

Sorry to disappoint, I haven't started a thread like this before. It may be that more than one person thinks like me.....

Scary

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I totally agree. We have to balance managing the virus with ruining the economy for generations. The generation that grew up in the aftermath of the 2008 crisis were already disadvantaged. I really feel for them and my young nieces.

A really ignorant post Op.

‘Just as a result of the economic downturn thus far, it is likely there will be famine across the developing world, so its essential we fight the virus, while properly accounting for economic damage.’

This is absolute nonsense. Famines are not caused by economic downturns. They are caused by political decision making.

Of course, we can’t stay in a perpetual state of lockdown. But it’s all about graded exposure to resuming some form of normality. It’s going to take a long time to reinforce positive ways out of lockdown though. People are frightened, and for good reason. I know someone who did die from Covid. I worry for my elderly parents and all the people I know who have health issues. It does, and will kill high numbers of us without an intelligent approach.

Lots of hate for op on display but nobody actually able to argue coherently against her point.

I’m sure an opinion poll has come out today saying the majority of the U.K. want to keep going with lockdown

we know mortality is low.

Hmmm. If there were some major flood or earthquake which killed 30,000 people, would you really think that was low mortality?

People in my area (including me) are already getting real without permission from the govt. - meeting their families, going out to buy non-essential stuff (horror!) going out for walks etc more than once a day. lockdown is ending so the Govt better hurry and come up with that plan if they want to continue pretending they are totally in charge
And you seem so proud of that fact. Wow! just wow!
There's many selfish people around like you.
I bet you clap on a Thursday too.

I have been considering if I would like some easing off on restrictions in a controlled way that's as safe as possible but then yesterday I learned that in my local area 3 members of the same family (Mother Father and son) had all died within a few days from it - It reminded me that it's still very much a real threat to us. So I don't want Thursday to come around and find BJ is going to fast track us out of lock down or anything.
I can not wait to return to work but that won't be anytime soon because of the nature of my work. I'm vulnerable and use public transport for work so that concerns me.

we will still isolate to some degree

As soon as the government end lockdown people will think the problem is over as "the government wouldn't let us out if it wasn't safe".

And on the basis of all the day trippers in my area today (queuing for the fucking ice cream van and being completely ignoring social distancing) people will just be rude and inconsiderate.

I think the science anticipated a % of people flouting the rules and were ok with it. If they wanted 100% adherence they would have shut the airports.

There's many selfish people around like you

Explain how anything I listed in my post is 'selfish'.

Do you honestly think we’re being told everything Op? Govts din’t just close borders, stop all flights, tell everyone to stay at home for a nasty bug. Plus, the money it’s costing.

A lot of people keep on mentioning the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic and the 2nd, and 3rd waves that happened and how we must look back/refer to this period for what could happen next if we don't stay in lockdown for the foreseeable.

Are we aware of social distancing measures, gallons of hand sanitisers, medication taken for underlying health issues or general medical practices that were implemented at the time?

I'm not being flippant, just a honest question...? Because if we can't, I don't see how comparing the two pandemic is going to help anyone? 🤷‍♀️

And to think I believed Boris was the most pompous twat

The death rate is around 0.04 percent of the population. That is where people gain their perspective. Try the Ons map for your area.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3896653-Coronaphobia-people-just-have-to-get-a-grip

Im not sure for many it's the u fairness of being stuck in while others go out it could be

• concern like about schools and wfh the choice isnt yours to make (though should be) but is effectively a choice made by others to risk your life because it doesnt matter to them.
• and because if you are high risk you know you might need o2 or ventilator and everyone elses carrying on and doing dangerous things means there are none left.

So realistically they are at the mercy of gov and nhs. I started feeling short of breath on the easter bank holiday it was scary as nhs 111 is useless. And it was BH and peak.

How stupid are people going to feel that they didnt protect themself and their children if there are long term health effects to immune system?

If it happened and you couldnt help it that is one thing. The guilt of sending them to school and them having long term issues.

Gov have never said much about that

• Op you should know better

This is mumsnet, most on here are batshit hiding from this bad virus and they are going to struggle massively with anxiety when this lockdown is relaxed. Already we have threads with people looking for reasons not to go back to work. People saying they won’t be sending dc back to school until a vaccine is here! This place is mental*

They could be waiting a while for a vaccine. Has there ever been a successful one for a coronavirus?

I also agree with this place being a strange world. Everyone that I've spoken to (work and outside of) want this lifted and to just get back out and work.