Time to get real people

[cookingmywaythroughlockdown]

Ok I think it's time to get a grip on reality!

Coronavirus is pretty nasty but it isn't apocalypse now time. Most of us are going to get it at some point and we will be just fine. So will our families and friends.
The UK cannot stay locked down for much longer without producing a national disaster that will reverberate for decades. So - you will be going back to work, your kids will be going back to school. Wash your hands well and enjoy your lives.
I'm just so sick of the posts prophesying carnage and really enjoying competitive isolation. For most people living like this is borderline harmful. For some it is already actively harmful.

We have to come out from under the bed. Wear a mask, wear gloves if you like but be prepared to live a normal if socially distanced life.

All epidemics burn themselves out eventually. We are much better placed to treat and protect the vulnerable then ever before. At some point soon we have to just get on with it.

AGREED 100% op well done for posting

I don't agree with all the OP says and certainly not the patronising title but there is an element of truth
In the effort to keep people at home a fear has been created which is making large numbers increasingly anxious and wary of anything with a risk of exposure however small.
I work in a hospital, frontline, but am also responsible for trying to rebuild services. initially this is for patients at high risk of cancer. We cannot get people to come in for tests despite masks, PPE, distancing etc . I understand why but we will have an excess of cancer deaths if we can't return to some level of protected and distanced normality.
We may well need to protect the shielded group for a prolonged period of time but the risk to the young with no comorbidities is very small indeed and we do need to think about how we manage the fear.

Phased and controlled return to work, good uptake of the app to track and trace and reiteration of social distancing is important

Agreed. I assume that's what op wants too.

That's not lockdown.. nor will it eradicate the virus which is what the majority of this thread want to do

Hmmm mortality rate is low ...... hate to state the obvious but it’s because we are on lockdown and the nhs can cope and help those infected .

Secondly the OP is not saying anything new . It was always said that any measures were supposed to broaden the curve , get prepared as much as we can , and then do a phased return . So nothing new there .

The money tree will have to be replaced , we are all going to contribute to that .

This is a new virus and the whole world is still learning about its affects and mutations etc. So for one person to assume they have the answer is quite frankly insulting to all of us who have lost friends and family .

Hope your bubble is not burst too soon .

The death toll is grossly inflated anyway due to the way they record COVID death and does not justify the response.

Could you explain why the number of recorded deaths is so much higher than the normal number for this time of year? If it isn't corona, then there must be some other factor. Or do you have evidence that the Office for National Statistics are just making death certificates up? What about the NHS staff who have died? Are they just made-up too?

@DianaT1969 sorry to disappoint you, I actually do work with front line services in a hospital. My state salary is a lifeline for my family I am not unappreciative of believe me. I'm not under 40 either. Nor am I trying to hone educate small kids whilst working. Lockdown is not uncomfortable for me.nut it hasn't to stop some time soon.

Spanish Flue was most deadly on the second wave. The third wave was more deadly than the first.

You can't say that it will all be fine. No one knows. That's part of the difficulty. If we'd had crystal balls that worked and could tell us exactly what to expect it would have been far easier.

I'm glad you trust that our kids will be ok, you don't know though, anymore than anyone else
Of course all deaths count, but I don't think there have been 28,000 suicides

I do. I trust in science. They have more knowledge on this than you do..

Give it time I wouldn't be surprised if there is more suicides than that when all is said and done.

Some of them caused by people believing nonsense not dissimilar to what's being spouted on this thread.

Agreed. I assume that's what op wants too.

I'm not entirely convinced the Op and others in agreement with them are wanting such a measured arrangement.

OP, you are right, lockdown can't last indefinitely.

But do you really think a Conservative government is extending lockdown orders to win a popularity contest?

mortality is low

And soon as all those old people in care homes are deceased the mortality rate will be even lower. Damn them for messing up the stats.

And let's hope that the surviving corona virus patients who are discovering that their kidneys are being compromised, (I think the estimate is one in three hospital patients require renal support) and those presenting with bloodclots, leading to heart and lung issues and strokes also make full recoveries. Seems Covid 19 has some immunological surprises up its sleeve.

'widespread educational neglect' - just what is that OP - I'm an education professional - it isn't a term we use? Please explain more?

Could you explain why the number of recorded deaths is so much higher than the normal number for this time of year?

As it happens a lot of people are dying because they daren't go to a&e or seek medical help. Sure most of it is Corona bit actually there's a lot more other deaths too for various reasons.

You just sound like a Dominic Cummings mouthpiece OP

You might have had a reasonable point OP if it wasn't lost in a bingo-worthy number of soundbites!

Not everyone is scared of death. I love my family but I am under no illusions that they will be here forever.

I didn't think I was afraid of death until I got cancer. That concentrates your mind from the theoretical to the reality. Both my parents lived out a natural span and I hope to do the same and I hope the same for my DSs. It will be a possibility if we keep the lock down and people aren't selfish.

Equally though do I want to lose my job, my house, everything I've worked for? Do I want to let my child go hungry? Do I want to see the same happen to family and friends?

That's where we differ. It isn't equal. Lives matter more than your job to most people. It's an unpleasant truth but I'd rather wide scale unemployment than my vulnerable DSs get covid19 and die. Which they (and I) probably would. So your job means nothing to everyone except you.

I'm not entirely convinced the Op and others in agreement with them are wanting such a measured arrangement

She only mentioned going back to work and school. She didn't suggest we reinstate Glastonbury and give out group hugs at every opportunity.

Work and school do need to be re instated sooner rather than later.

Along with contact tracing and testing which will happen alongside that no doubts

I love a sunday sermon...

Feeling fear isn't helpful?

[mutters] feeling fear isn't helpful, gosh, feeling fear isn't helpful.

It seems to have been key to our survival and evolution, but no it's not helpful, well you live and learn

Look at world of meters though those countries ALL have much lower cases and deaths than us.
We have many times the number of reported cases (and deaths)
With 4k a day that may be 20k a day actually infected. And infectious for about 9 days at least.

GeneGenie I'm talking about the language and tone rather than any specific thing said.

That's where we differ. It isn't equal. Lives matter more than your job to most people. It's an unpleasant truth but I'd rather wide scale unemployment than my vulnerable DSs get covid19 and die. Which they (and I) probably would. So your job means nothing to everyone except you

Of course you would because you want what's best for your family. You should shield and be enabled to do that.

Those of us who aren't vulnerable would rather not be bankrupt. You get to do what's best for you but we should just get fucked over? We should be allowed to do what's best for us too.

Completely agree. Mumsnet is like a world of its own, where trends emerge and hysteria spreads. Totally different outlook to anyone I know in real life.

THIS 👏🏻

Just checking - all the people mentioning Spanish flu appreciate that that was pre antibiotics, ventilators, cpap, continuous cardiac monitoring and dialysis? Pre any form of enhanced medical care in fact? So whilst I'm all for lessons from history the Spanish flu lessons are harder to read than it seems. There are some similarities, a novel virus in a non immune population but we have far more supportive care measures and an ability to address opportunities infections and complications alongside the virus.

@Leighwalk a whole generation are out of school. Two cohorts have missed their exam season. University education has gone to hell. Final year medical and nursing students are now working not completing their courses. I don't think we can tout the current situation as one of triumphal educational progress. Some kids will never catch up.

This thread is boring compared to the title.

The title says ‘Time to get real people’ clearly setting out the OP’s intention to go and fetch or purchase some real people from somewhere.

Sadly the OP clearly meant ‘Time to get real, people’ and thus this is just another hectoring diatribe.