Coronaphobia - people just have to get a grip

[wakeupitsabeautifulmorning]

I'm really worried that irrational fears are going to absolutely ruin the country as well as putting people at massive risk of dying from other things or developing mental health. And God knows what parents with it will do to their dc's mental health and development (keeping dc off school until there's a vaccination etc.)

Where has that happened on this thread @lilactree? I’ve not seen anyone accuse the OP of conspiracy theorising, but she’s decided a whole load of people are hysterical.

Agree OP. The government dont give a shit if we die, just that we dont do it all at once. Which most of us are statistically unlikely to do.

Personally I dont think we will ever see a vaccine. We need to learn to live with the virus.

Laiste

And there in lies the tub - they don't know how many people have had it so can't work out the fatality rate. It could be 0.2% (lowest I've seen) or 7 or 8% (I guess it could be even higher) but you need to.know the total number of cases plus an accurate number of deaths, which they don't have because lots of community deaths might have had Covid included in the cause but unless they were tested how can they be sure?

This uncertainty is what is making me anxious. If I could have reliable data to look at then I would make a decision based on the level of risk I was happy with but at the.moment I'm not reassured because so much is still unknown.

How many people with mental heath problems committed suicide more than normally versus hie many people died with corona? I'd like to know that figure. Mental health does not trump someones life just because it feels shit. It matters what the death rate is.

Suicide figures for the first quarter of this year haven't been released yet according to the ONS website.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathscausedbysuicidebyquarterinengland

Jelly

Accusers of CT on this thread

Canterbury at 19:11

LastTrainEast at 19:14

On other threads, I’ve been asked if I believe in things I’ve never even heard of. Also, perhaps the funniest was being asked if I have a CT website!

Wouldn't imagine it's more than 27,000 though.

Personally I dont think we will ever see a vaccine.

Well the nice professor from Oxford said they will probably have a vaccine for the general public by the end of September.

The following article pretty much sums up my views. This is too high a price to save a small percentage of predominantly elderly and very ill people. It’ll be utterly tragic, but so is lockdown and prolonged social distancing, just in a much less stark, obvious and easily live blogged by the media way.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/01/cant-let-social-distancing-go-years-even-cost-many-lives/

“I believe that politicians will intervene, a policy of sustained social distancing for years will collapse and they’ll claim they never intended it in the first place. But that will only happen because enough of us are willing to stand up and tell the unpleasant truth: to maintain strong restrictions for years, robbing young people of their youth and degrading all of our lives immeasurably, is too high a price to pay for saving 100,000 people from an early death. That does not mean we should sacrifice nothing to try to save them. But years of social distancing, depriving millions of people of their mundane everyday pleasures, is too much to be acceptable.

“All politicians hear is the relentless screams of those crying “Tens of thousands dead! Why did you not do more?” People say “The government would never be forgiven if they let 100,000 people die.” Well, then we must make them believe they would be even less forgiven if they let years of everyone else’s life pass by while strong social distancing is maintained.

“People say to me: “So you are saying 100,000 people should die so that one day your son can play rugby, you can sing in a choir, and some other folk can have a New Year’s Eve party?” Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying. And the truth is that many reading this will know, deep down, that I’m right.”

People say to me: “So you are saying 100,000 people should die so that one day your son can play rugby, you can sing in a choir, and some other folk can have a New Year’s Eve party?” Yes. That’s exactly what I’m saying. And the truth is that many reading this will know, deep down, that I’m right.”

That is a disgusting statement and I wonder if the author will stand by it if it's their son, or brother, or parent who dies? Sounds like something Katie Hopkins would say!

Hearhooves
Ok so that’s a study of people, who went to hospital. It’s a shame none are around for the overwhelming number of people, who didn’t. I was on the thread “my lungs are on fire”, which until recently at least was running as “my lungs”. The people on there mostly, if not all, weren’t admitted to hospital. Me included.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras many people on threads I’ve read on MN have said things like ‘I’m a single parent. If I catch it and die my dc won’t have a parent’, ‘I’m not willing to take the risk of sending my dc to school until there’s a vaccination. Children are dying from this’. I come across things like this frequently. This is why I am despairing.

Its hysterical in itself to be blathering about the damage years of social distancing will do. We don't even know what next month will bring, let alone next year. There is currently no 'years of socisl distancing' happening, nor is it at all likely as its simply unenforceable on a permanent basis. People need to get a grip on all sides of the argument.

Mummyoflittledragon

Well, quite. Though it could be argued how many of those actually had it if they weren't tested? When the government were reporting number of positive tests Vs number of tests done there were many, many more negative tests than positive tests meaning lots of people had symptoms but actually had a different illness so who's to know how many of the "I had it but wasn't that ill and am better now" actually had it? Until they get an antibody test we won't know.

wakeupitsabeautifulmorning

But how does it affect you? What they choose to do doesn't affect you does it? Perhaps they wouldn't agree with some of your life choices?

Hearhooves
I was told to presume it was coronavirus by the Gp and 111. But of course that was just a phone consultation.

This is too high a price to save a small percentage of predominantly elderly and very ill people.

I disagree. I have a set of health problems that if I add up my chances I have a 15 percent chance of dying of Corona, which feels too high to risk it. My granddad had the same problems and lived till 90. My uncle has the same and is 80 and still going strong. I am not "very ill" in my day to day life. I can work, I'm pregnant, I cook, do housework, garden, cycle and walk. My life is not so different from a healthy persons as long as I don't get sick. Why shouldn't I and my baby be saved? Just because people want to play rugby? Is my life worth so little?

I read the statistics for my town today. Two hospital deaths out of a population of around 44,000.

Mummyoflittledragon

But presuming something isn't scientific is it? It was something like a third of tests done in suspect cases were positive, so lots of people presumed to have it (hence getting the test) didn't have it.

I don't think conclusions can be drawn on any side until we have accurate figures to work with.

We shouldn't assume it's a mild illness based on mild symptoms in people we don't know had it. Equally we shouldn't assume s high case fatality rate until.we know exactly how many have been infected and how many have died.

I think what has surprised me in all of this is the amount of people, we'll adults that have said they are terrified of this virus. Very strong word to use.

I'm genuinely interested to know, what is it that people are terrified of, is it dying? If that's the case, surely they should have been terrified well before this virus came into existence, as one thing in life is guaranteed and that's death and you don't know when it's going to happen and how.

Hearhooves
I totally agree. I so wish I’d forked out for the test. They were readily available at the time. Whatever side of the argument we fall, I think the common ground is frustration at the lack of testing and controls.

But I can’t risk sending my child to school. I have seen him intubated. I have seen him in intensive care. His paediatrician has indeed told us that we must be v v careful. Meanwhile DH is a doctor working all kinds of hours on a COVID ward and having to self isolate from his family and hasnt hugged his son in weeks. Our lives and our circumstances are as real as those of the others struggling on this thread.

My aunt was told to presume Coronavirus by gp. She was apparently gasping for breath and having hot sweats. She spoke to her friend and realised it was actually hay fever. Her symptoms dramatically improved after that. We’re pretty sure DH and dd had Coronavirus in February but how does anyone know they’ve actually had Coronavirus unless they’ve had a test?

I'm not hysterical. And my teen will be returning to school asap. But I am thoroughly sick of multiple threads telling others what they "should" be feeling.

If I catch it and die my dc won’t have a parent’, ‘I’m not willing to take the risk of sending my dc to school until there’s a vaccination. Children are dying from this’. I come across things like this frequently. This is why I am despairing

Why are you despairing? How does their thinking or their choices in any way impact you? You could take your kids to school kissing every person you see on the way if you choose, my concern for my family wouldn’t stop you doing that.

If I want to keep my kids close to home it literally doesn’t impact you in any way. If I worry about catching it and chose to restrict my lifestyle or work myself into a froth it doesn’t impact you in the slightest. Why are you despairing?