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Is anyone becoming suspicious?

281 replies

Emcont · 30/04/2020 15:32

I am not. I am referring to increased posts on a Covid-19 Facebook group and peoples comments on posts, news links and news websites

I'm unsure if people are just getting twitchy or they genuinely believe this isn't a real thing??

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SimpleKindofLife · 01/05/2020 10:15

Check out the Lungs threads @Noextremes2017 it's not just about dying, people are severely ill from this for weeks, if not months! Healthy people, many under 65.

Milliontjm86 · 01/05/2020 10:18

It’s funny how what they say constantly changes. Weeks ago it only affected the elderly/older age groups and people with underlying health now it can literally attract anyone, since when did that change. I honestly don’t believe it is as contagious as what they want us to believe.

Milliontjm86 · 01/05/2020 10:23

No you’re right we wouldn’t be paying for it. There will be something in it for the government too, of course they aren’t going to do themselves out of money for nothing.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 10:24

It’s funny how what they say constantly changes. FFS!

Try thinking!

Milliontjm86 · 01/05/2020 10:38

How are people not thinking the same, how does it go from only affecting those groups of people to suddenly Healthy people? Because it isn’t that’s why, people are dying from other causes yet they will still record covid on death certificate, sorry but something isn’t right there. Dodgy as f#@k.

Noextremes2017 · 01/05/2020 10:48

Simplekindoflife

Yes people are ill for weeks. Just as they are ill for weeks with heart and lung issues (personal experience of both) and with many other ailments.

Coronavirus is not unique - and frankly the way the NHS has just ditched everybody else in a blind panic over this is totally unacceptable. Many people will have died or their condition will have worsened due to this narrow minded NHSS policy.

Noextremes2017 · 01/05/2020 10:51

The way statistics have been thrown at the public - without any detailed explanation - is both appalling and misleading.

Government by soundbite as usual.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 11:00

The way statistics have been thrown at the public - without any detailed explanation - is both appalling and misleading.

Really! No detailed explanation? None? OK....

TooTrueToBeGood · 01/05/2020 11:37

It’s funny how what they say constantly changes.

Given that this is a new virus, and the pandemic is very much ongoing, the data they are working with is constantly increasing and their understanding improving. It would be far more suspicious if they'd had a clear and comprehensive understanding from the very beginning and hadn't changed their position since.

ZombieFan · 01/05/2020 11:38

The way statistics have been thrown at the public - without any detailed explanation - is both appalling and misleading
Its disgraceful that TV channels just refuse to tell us anything about the virus. They need to get some celebrities on to start explaining to us what any of this means. FFS the government seems to be hiding the truth behind facts. How the hell is a 'normal' person supposed to know what a statistic means! Its not as if they spend 14 years teaching us basic maths at school. Confused

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 11:42

Oh! That made me feel better. It isn't just me being utterly misled by those miserable, fact toting bastards!

Raccoon2020vision · 01/05/2020 12:31

Anyone who hasn't watched the excellent Professor Whitty lecture on Youtube would probably find it very reassuring in many ways. There's no hysteria, just the facts as they are currently known. It's quite long, at around 1 hour and 20 minutes, but it's very well presented. There's no fluff. He explains, clearly and succinctly, what is known now about the virus, presents information about previous pandemics/epidemics in the 20th and 21st century, and explains in plain English why the situation is evolving all the time.

To those saying "the situation keeps changing", this is a novel (as in new) coronavirus; we haven't encountered this particular one before as a species so we're still learning how to deal with it.

Imagine you're trying to hit a moving target with a bow and arrow wearing a blindfold over one eye with one hand tied behind your back and all the time terrified people are yelling at you that you're rubbish at archery....

For those wondering about vaccines, the common cold is also in the coronavirus "family". That might give you an idea as to why it's going to be a bit tricky to come up with a vaccine, combined with the fact the medics and scientists don't understand, yet, how COVID-19 works. If you put into context that the rest of the world (outside China) has only been made aware of this virus within the past 4 months, the timescales look a little different.

Yesterday on one of the registries I checked (ClinicalTrials.gov) there were over one thousand trials being conducted world-wide to try to find a solution (not all vaccines, other interventions as well). The day before it was just under one thousand. Scientists and medics are literally working around the clock on this, and the amount of co-operative research and sharing of knowledge is staggering. In a good way.

As it happens, I don't think most of the mainstream media are doing their jobs properly, but then I could rant about BBC "news" and what it's become in the last few years until the cows come home. Practically, though, and to be fair, the media get only a few minutes, 5 or 10 if they're lucky, to condense complex concepts into something that most people can understand.

(The average reading age in the UK hovers, according to some research, between 12 years and 8; the reading age of the Sun is pitched at 12 years old for a reason.)

Raccoon2020vision · 01/05/2020 12:32

*I mean, the level of the language in the Sun, not the actual stories, obviously!

BackseatCookers · 01/05/2020 13:57

The way statistics have been thrown at the public - without any detailed explanation - is both appalling and misleading.

Can you provide an example that shows what you mean here? It sounds like 'fuck the system' by numbers without any real meaning.

It’s funny how what they say constantly changes.

That'll be them adapting their approach to a new strain of virus in real time because, you know, it's unchartered territory. Not sure what your point is, how is it strange that things are changing rapidly as it develops?

How are people not thinking the same, how does it go from only affecting those groups of people to suddenly Healthy people?

It doesn't, it affects more vulnerable people (elderly / underlying health conditions) more quickly and with worse outcomes wrt survival rates. Then other people who had it but were asymptomatic / not too ill become spreaders, generating more cases and obviously the more people it spreads to the more previously healthy people are more likely to be exposed to it. So the numbers grow. And round and round it goes.

Because it isn’t that’s why, people are dying from other causes yet they will still record covid on death certificate, sorry but something isn’t right there. Dodgy as f#@k.

Where's your proof of this? Please can you share your source for this so the rest of us can see? If you're genuine about this and not just scaremongering then you'd be happy to do so.

Milliontjm86 · 01/05/2020 16:56

I am not scamongering at all. I have read and listened to A LOT from both sides and I do not think this virus is as deadly or contagious, I would be here all day telling you why I think so but have a look in to Bill gates then tell me it’s not just a little bit dodgy. No one can even give an exact answer for example on how long the virus stays on surfaces, all these top scientists yet they don’t even know that?? No virus can survive too long on any surface, they also expect us to believe it can just linger in the air for hours, don’t think so. They are the ones scamongering.

Milliontjm86 · 01/05/2020 17:01

They keep saying they are following the science but don’t ever really share any of the science to back up their ever changing information.

BackseatCookers · 01/05/2020 17:03

I am not scamongering at all. I have read and listened to A LOT from both sides and I do not think this virus is as deadly or contagious, I would be here all day telling you why I think so but have a look in to Bill gates then tell me it’s not just a little bit dodgy.

You've sort of proven by point with this answer! Can you not even link to a source you think backs up your opinion on this, so other people can read it and make up their own mind? You must realise how your response of "look into bill gates and tell me it's not dodgy" just sounds like nonsense. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs but you should be prepared to back them up if you're going to make accusations that the virus isn't as dangerous as public information suggests. So just one or two links you think people should read, please?

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 17:04

You aren't making much sense.

They have said it is airborn so keep your distance, not that it is an aerosol. That's why track and trace will travel 15 minute contacts.

And it remains viable for different surfaces. They didn't know how long initially. So that data has changed... That thing you find so suspicious that the rest of us understand as being the result of further analysis of a new virus.

And Bill Gates? I have never understood the conspiracy theory around him. It just doesn't make sense, is utterly illogical... unless you like your logic pretzel shaped!

Milliontjm86 · 01/05/2020 17:31

Like I said i would be here all day, there isn’t just a couple of links. Go do your own research, I am not here to try to change your opinion or what you believe i was just giving mine. I am not very good at putting what I mean into words. It’s all about vaccines IMO. Do you honestly believe the government have our best interests at heart because I don’t. Stay at home to save the NHS since when have they ever gave a shit about the NHS really.

Milliontjm86 · 01/05/2020 17:34

I have read plenty of contradictions as to the safest distance to avoid the virus. It isn’t gonna just linger in the air, don’t have to be a scientist to know that. A virus needs a living host it won’t survive for long without one.

BackseatCookers · 01/05/2020 17:42

Go do your own research, I am not here to try to change your opinion or what you believe i was just giving mine.

I have done plenty of research and haven't read anything that would substantiate the claims you are making, hence me asking for even one or two sources.

Like I said i would be here all day, there isn’t just a couple of links.

I'm well aware that copious amounts of links regarding COVID-19 exist, I wasn't asking for a thesis or a run down of them all, just one or two sources.

You've said you aren't interested in other opinions or substantiating yours though so have a good day I guess! 👍🏻

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 17:47

As it is you who is challenging the bulk of the science it really is down to you to show what alternative sources you are relying upon.

I can't guess which alternative sources you read. You can rely upon the fact that I read and depend upon that of mainstream science.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 17:51

It would also help if you showed any signs of having actually read any of the responses you have had.

For example, I responded to your post about the virus being airborne, living on surfaces. You have ignored my response and just restated your apparently simplistic stance about what "it ain't gonna"

The least courtesy you could afford posters engaging with you is to acknowledge you have given their posts a squillisecond's thought!!

Milliontjm86 · 01/05/2020 17:57

I said I am not interested in trying to change anyone else’s opinions, not that I am not interested in others opinions. I like listening to other people’s opinions. What do you want me to show you? That I don’t believe it’s as contagious or that I don’t think the government give a shit about us the general public?

BackseatCookers · 01/05/2020 18:02

What do you want me to show you? That I don’t believe it’s as contagious or that I don’t think the government give a shit about us the general public?

I believe you don't believe that.
I believe you don't think that.

I just asked for one or two sources backing up your opinion that Bill Gates is involved OR backing up your assertion that it's not as contagious or deadly as has been said OR backing up your claim that non covid related deaths are being recorded as covid related.

Take your pick Smile

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