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Is anyone becoming suspicious?

281 replies

Emcont · 30/04/2020 15:32

I am not. I am referring to increased posts on a Covid-19 Facebook group and peoples comments on posts, news links and news websites

I'm unsure if people are just getting twitchy or they genuinely believe this isn't a real thing??

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thecatneuterer · 30/04/2020 22:00

@CustardySergeant I didn't see the point in engaging really. It was obvious we were never going to have a sensible conversation.

Justanotherlurker · 30/04/2020 22:05

It will keep popping up @frumpety it's becoming quite common and is not just from one or two.

I've seen the slippery slope of this type being pushed in some of the totally anti tory groups and some are lapping it up, like how big business / JRM types are going to cash in on it.

There is also a known push of disinformation campaign going on from CCP and Russian being Russia, wrt to comments like the Chinese wet markets are just like our farmers markets

I doubt it will be the last of these posts, and it won't be just from one user, these types of threads will now happen for years.

Justanotherlurker · 30/04/2020 22:08

I do realise that I have unironically come across as a conspiracy nut myself with that as well.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 30/04/2020 22:10

Can I ask why are some people who question things called a conspiracy theorist, idiots or thick?? Honestly how are these people thick just because they don’t believe everything they’re told.

A conspiracy theorist questions and chooses to believe the most convoluted explanation, without question.

It’s a very lazy way of slapping people down with one snappy phrase. Some people follow and disseminate every wacky theory going, without ever questioning or engaging their brains; some people only ever believe what the government or BBC tell them as gospel and believe everybody who doesn't do the same to be a renegade lunatic; most of us are somewhere in between.

A conspiracy is just something (usually taken to be criminal or sinister) that was planned in secret between two or more people – it’s a relatively neutral term. You could legitimately say that most judges are conspiracy theorists, if they’ve ever sentenced somebody for conspiracy to murder/defraud/commit any kind of crime. Yes, they've believed all of the evidence presented to them, but if they weren't actually there, they couldn't 100% know it to be undeniably true.

I don’t believe that COVID-19 is a hoax, but I am somewhat ‘open-minded’ as to the wisdom of how governments around the world have reacted to it – and whether that relates to incompetence, ulterior motives, hidden agendas – who knows. I do believe that a good proportion of people said to have died OF it may have died WITH it, especially considering how few tests have been made available and how much distance diagnosis has been carried out.

What I find incredible is that you can question almost anything official that comes out of China or Russia; indeed, you’ll be ridiculed if you DO accept it as automatically true, but for some reason, if you ever approach anything that a western government proclaims with any scepticism, you’re a crazy deranged flat-earther conspiracy theorist.

One of the most influential conspiracy theorists was David Rockefeller – one of the richest people who ever lived. He even believed that he was a part of it! He wrote this in his memoirs:

”Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - One World, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”

Rockefeller also said this when addressing the Tri-Lateral Commission:

”We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

It would seem that the deranged conspiracy-nut lunacy goes right to the very top - yet this man was highly regarded and his counsel followed by many world leaders.

After I see a theory I always do a quick fact check and 99 percent of the time it's fake.

How do you do the fact check, though, and how do you know that it’s fake? How can you know that the fact-checkers are all completely above board and/or haven’t been compromised or infiltrated? Have you fact-checked the credentials and characters behind everybody working for Snopes and their ilk or do you simply take their word for it that you can't take the word of anybody whom they claim to be fake?

I always think to the case of the inquest about Diana’s death. There were many people suggesting that her death had been directly planned by Prince Philip and/or other royals. The inquest was held and it was found that it was nothing more than a tragic accident, likely caused or exacerbated by the actions of a few non-royals with low-level motives (such as papping exclusive photos), but absolutely no malicious intent. However, just imagine that Prince Philip had planned and engineered it all, maybe conspiring with other extremely powerful people with the belief that this act might somehow further some evil globalist plot, or simply because he utterly hated her for what he might have believed she had done to his family. Supposing he had fully set out to murder Diana, for whatever motive. Do you expect that the official top-level inquest would have found him guilty? Do you suppose that any ‘independent’ fact-checkers would have put their heads above the parapet and felt confident (and brave enough) to be able to confirmed that the belief of those suspecting the foul-play that ‘did actually happen’ (in our imaginary consideration) was actually true?

There are extremists - at both ends - and those at each end believe themselves to have the whole truth and their opposites to be utter deranged fools. I certainly don't think the truth is as black and white as that.

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Justanotherlurker · 30/04/2020 23:11

What I find incredible is that you can question almost anything official that comes out of China or Russia; indeed, you’ll be ridiculed if you DO accept it as automatically true, but for some reason, if you ever approach anything that a western government proclaims with any scepticism, you’re a crazy deranged flat-earther conspiracy theorist.

Imagine not being a conspiracy theorist and writing that with a straight face.

For an experiment, you go onto any western website and bring up the atrocities of the UK government, then go onto any chinese network and bring up Tiananmen, one side you will get a robust debate with hard hitting (some will call it trolls) debate, the other you will be marked and not even have a discussion, if your from a Chinese IP expect a knock at the door.

Your comment is laughable in how wrong it is to compare the two.

Milliontjm86 · 30/04/2020 23:45

I don’t believe it’s 5g. I do sort of believe it has a lot to do with bill gates. I also believe there is a virus but no where near as deadly or contagious as what they want us to believe.

ZombieFan · 30/04/2020 23:52

Pandemic? Their is no pandemic?

Social distancing and keeping six feet apart allows you to be personally identified by 5G satellite and that's why the government want it.

TwelveMonkeys · 01/05/2020 00:19

Social distancing and keeping six feet apart allows you to be personally identified by 5G satellite and that's why the government want it

But since social distancing is short term.. what would be the purpose of that?

cantory · 01/05/2020 00:33

OMG

ZombieFan · 01/05/2020 00:40

TwelveMonkeys Just quoting Mr Corbyn.

KeepWashingThoseHands · 01/05/2020 01:08

This is a crazy thread. To offer a perspective on the view Pharma companies have done it to make money.

Pharma's whole business model is built on getting people to live longer, not to risk killing everyone off. Preventing, testing and treating. They really want you all to be taking preventative medicine like Statins as those are a brilliant cash cow, along with all the other drugs for asthma and diabetes etc. that people take every day. Repeat revenue. Look at the top selling drugs which apart from cancer are things to treat arthritis and blood clotting. Repeat revenue.

People not receiving treatment for cancer and other diseases (where drugs tend to be far more expensive), isn't helping them. This doesn't even include all the other testing kits they won't have sold, in the UK at least as smears have stopped etc. If it turns out the vaccine is a one hit, despite it being global this won't be their biggest revenue stream. Same way an annual flu one isn't. Global Pharma market is worth >$1 trillion. Flu vaccine a few billion of that.

Global instance of cancer and neuro diseases are massively on the rise. The cash is here. They want the COVID vaccine over to get back to normal since many have diverted research here which isn't progressing other areas.

KeepWashingThoseHands · 01/05/2020 01:16

As to the comments the virus attacks the elderly and leaves children alone - is that not most disease? How many children have Alzheimer's, prostrate cancer as well as other diseases and risk factors caused by lifestyle.

TwelveMonkeys · 01/05/2020 01:55

Just quoting Mr Corbyn

The top result when I googled that was davidicke.com forums. Thanks for that!!

ZombieFan · 01/05/2020 02:34

TwelveMonkeys It actually was Corbyn.

1forAll74 · 01/05/2020 03:17

These new, and unused hospitals were built as a safeguard. in the event of a massive pandemic, akin to the one that happened world wide in the first world war. Then.about 60 million people died. Any unknown new virus has to be tackled in this way, as in being prepared for any worst case scenario. It's not the same as the so called Spanish flu of that time, but nobody was expecting the covid virus a few months ago, and how it has spread world wide, it has been scary for everyone, and things had to be prepared for any eventuality at all.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 01/05/2020 03:27

Justanotherlurker

At no point was I stating that there isn't a load of crazy propaganda pouring out of China and Russia and others. My point is that it doesn't have to be one or the other: believe nothing or believe everything.

Which country is the only one ever to have dropped atomic bombs on highly-populated cities? The same one as quietly introduced Operation Paperclip (not theory, but recorded fact). How long did it take for something mildly approaching justice to be meted out on those responsible for the Bhopal disaster? What about the Hillsborough disaster, here in the UK? Are British children taught about the Irish potato 'famine' at school? The actual truth about it?

I just believe that the fact that certain countries are well known for behaving atrociously and deviously towards their own and foreign populations as a matter of course in their everyday dealings does not in any way automatically make other countries unequivocally whiter than white in everything that they do.

Do I believe that a western democracy deliberately released COVID-19 on to the world? No, I don’t. Is it officially recorded fact that Porton Down has, in the past, deliberately secretly released viruses that have gone on to have deleterious effects on the locals? Yes, it is. Just because I know that a lion would likely gore me to death doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t take precautions to protect myself against an angry pitbull.

Paranoid assumption that the government is responsible for every bad thing that happens? No, that’s just crazy. Considering things rationally and knowing that there may (or may not) be more information that we have not been told (whether by commission or omission), as has been provably done in the past? Well, that’s up to each individual to decide for themselves.

TwelveMonkeys · 01/05/2020 04:00

It actually was Corbyn

Yeah.I know, it's just that the top search result for it was members of the David Icke forum cheering him on Grin

"Of course he has been smeared as a 'conspiracy theorist' for pointing out basic facts" - lol!

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 08:21

Thanks for that Zombie I had missed Mr Corbyn's input... I now get to start my day enjoying the fuckwittery Grin

frumpety · 01/05/2020 08:34

Just out of interest how would a 5G satellite personally identify me in the street ? Would it take a photograph ? and then just know it was me ? How would it verify it is me ? @ZombieFan

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 09:09

frumpety she was quoting Me Corbyn!

frumpety · 01/05/2020 09:36

Ah right ! is that Piers Corbyn ?

Noextremes2017 · 01/05/2020 09:40

What is REALLY worrying about all this is that the Government has put the 'frighteners' on people so much that many are saying they still won't go out when the lockdown is lifted.

Instead of this two and three word 'soundbite' crap that the Government likes to use there should be a proper DETAILED explanation of the risk for each age group.

The bottom line is that if you are under 65 and have no pre-existing health conditions then the risk is very low.

Think about it. There are 66 million people in the UK. if 40,000 die it is a terrible tragedy and worse than a very bad flu epidemic. But 40,000 out of 66,000,000 is 0.000606%.

That is 1 in every 1650 people.

That is not to say we don't all need to take sensible precautions as we come out of this. We do. But you can't stop a country from functioning based on those figures no matter how terrible it is for those affected.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2020 09:54

Yes, frumpety. Video included in the DM link

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8257133/Jeremy-Corbyns-brother-Piers-73-leads-protest-against-coronavirus-lockdown.html

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