Is anyone becoming suspicious?

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I am not. I am referring to increased posts on a Covid-19 Facebook group and peoples comments on posts, news links and news websites

I'm unsure if people are just getting twitchy or they genuinely believe this isn't a real thing??

Sorry I thought I had replied you you, this is what I said.

I have read plenty of contradictions as to the safest distance to avoid the virus. It isn’t gonna just linger in the air, don’t have to be a scientist to know that. A virus needs a living host it won’t survive for long without one.

But we know it doesn't longer... I said that up there ^^ only you are referring be to it lingering!

You are not engaging with what has been posted.

That makes it impossible to engage with you without repeating myself

Go do your own research

One of the favourite lines used by conspiracy theorists, usually when they realise they don't have an intelligent argument. You'll be calling people sheeple next.

, I would be here all day telling you why I think so but have a look in to Bill gates then tell me it’s not just a little bit dodgy.

It's not.

In fact, RT have been promoting corona conspiracies. Including the bill gates one.

Bill Gates can’t sort out the viruses on Windows 10.

@Theeighthelephant

Bill Gates publishes the gates notes on his blog and by email. Please show me something in all of the stuff that he has done that is dodgy as I really do not want to support someone unethical.

If, however your argument is based on the fact that he has written about epidemics, understands vaccine programs and funds them and has highlighted weaknesses in existing policy, resources and delivery, them I fail to see the problem.

@Microzilla
😀

I never said he's dodgy, the poster is as quoting did.

@Microzila that made me laugh so much it's going in my quotes of the day diary.

Is that the only answer you can come back with, “it’s not” some of you on here are calling me out for what I believe and asking me to back up why I think what I do and all you can come back with is, “it’s not” ok then. You carry on believing what the media are telling you and of course government never lie. However I will detail why I believe differently to the majority when I get time.

@milliontjm86 They keep saying they are following the science but don’t ever really share any of the science to back up their ever changing information Would you like me to link the interviews with leading Asian scientists? They would answer all of your queries, concerns and suspicions including what is "fake news" and how it arises and contain all the science up to the point of the interviews. I would imagine they will correspond to what Prof Whitty has said, ref'd by a pp - I havent watched him yet.

I could also link something about why relying on herd immunity would be inhumane, how the virus has been given its contagion R0 level to indicate how contagious it is but also how this will change in different circs (more or less but generally twice the level of flu). Also a scientist explaining how and when aerosol or airborne contagion would happen.

If you are interested, let me know.

No one cares what you believe million. People believe all sorts of crazy stuff. But people are interested in WHY. It's interesting, from a sociological perspective. There are definitely bad actors out there who think this is an absolute goldmine.

Epidemiolgy, virology, immunology are very complicated. I dont understand it.

But I dont believe that every infectious disease expert in the world is in on some hoax. Why on earth would I? From the WHO down to Chief Medical Officer of every country, down to various Professors in every countries' universities, to consultants in every hospital. All of them working in their fields for decades. And now for the last few months, all of them researching this day and night. All of them In On It, never disagreeing except to say 'I ran this test and got 13%' - 'Well I ran it and got 17% - you check my numbers and I'll check yours, and we'll get Dr C to examine them as well.'
Even my lovely GP who was so good to my dad when he was terminally ill. The nurse who was so good to me and my baby after I got PND. Her too? My SIL, another HCP. They have all received briefings, and they know how viruses work. They're not world class experts obviously but they'd be able to spot a fake virus or even an overblown one.

Lab technicians, trained in examining body tissues for viruses or bacteria or antibodies. Every hospital has a lab department, so hundreds of technicians. In on it? Pretending they are all seeing a new pathogen on their swabs?
Care home assistants, (plenty of those in my wider family too), watching their residents sicken and die in larger numbers. Duped into thinking they can't count this years deaths and compare it against last years?
Funeral directors reporting excess deaths? All those small town undertakers putting fake names in the paper.

Doesn't make sense.

So despite not being scientifically trained and not being able to assess a virology report for myself, I've presented my evidence for believing that
A) there is a new virus
B) the facts of how it behaves aren't settled yet
C) there are excess deaths in the community.

If more evidence emerges, I'll assess that, as best I'm able.

But staying up late watching YouTube videos does not count as 'research' or 'evidence'

If you, or any conspiracy theorist, had any evidence you'd present it. Or understanding you'd demonstrate it. Instead you are passing around what amounts to fairy tales.
Dangerous fairy tales.

@milliontjm86

However I will detail why I believe differently to the majority when I get time.

It would be really refreshing if you did this and if you genuinely believe what you claim then you'd want to do it in order to spread the information you claim to have some evidence of. Otherwise your remarks just sound like someone being anti 'the system' for the sake of it with no specifics related to coronavirus. Look forward to seeing it.

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they think Occam's razor is what he shaved with.

It's that they fill in.the gaps in their knowledge with Hollywood movie type scenarios.

They hear 'lab' and they imagine Bond villain's lair, full of evil geniuses.
They dont want to hear about repeating the same minor procedure over and over again, checking for the slightest difference. They dont want to hear about staring at long reams of other people's numbers, checking for flaws. They dont want to know about modest, incremental successes. Presenting your minor findings, peer review, nit picking

No! give them a bunch of evil henchmen, doing evil laughs. With an outlandish plan, a shocking twist, and a plucky hero

Is that the only answer you can come back with, “it’s not”

You said to look into Bill Gates and tell you it's not dodgy. I looked into him and found no evidence of anything dodgy, unless you count Windows Vista.

unless you count Windows Vista.

Clear evidence of something highly dodgy. Case closed.

Conspiracy theorists don’t know about all the counter checks that go on in science - validity, credibility, how research works, peer reviews, how departments have established protocols to alert them to anomalies and irregularities. All of the very clever stuff that goes on to allow scientists to work properly, transparently and freely. It is all regulated exactly to prevent the kind of things that could cause damage.

But as someone upthread has observed, that is not as thrilling as a Bond movie and if you don’t understand basic science it is likely you won’t think about how the world of science functions.

I remember a conversation with a graduate of art and a physicist friend. She was criticising conventional science and used evolutions theory as an example. She said we don’t know how the world started. The physicist said well, actually we do- we know that there was hydrogen, etc. He then said ‘what bit do you disagree with’? She had read The Tao of Physics and thought it was all wrong!

He said nothing. Wisely.

It's one thing not to know stuff.
Fair enough.
But not knowing - and not knowing there is stuff you dont know - yet thinking you do know it all and its others you are stupid. That is a special blend.

It's like Rumsfeld's (?) Unknown unknowns. How we laughed. But such a category does exist.

Sorry - She had read The Tao of Physics and thought it was all wrong!

I mean she had read the Tao of Physics and was then convinced that all conventional thinking about science was wrong (space, nebulas, stars, gases,etc)

Conspiracy theorists don’t know about all the counter checks that go on in science - validity, credibility, how research works, peer reviews, how departments have established protocols to alert them to anomalies and irregularities.

I think it's more that they just don't want to know. They get drawn to theories that align to their own paranoid thoughts, often based on political leanings. Then they only want to read (or watch YT videos) that support their conspiracy theory of choice. They are not interested in challenges to the theory nor do they care to fact check the claims supporting the theory. They desperately want to believe so why would they consider anything that might undermine their belief?

When they are challenged by those who don't buy into their pet conspiracy theory they invariably resort to calling them sheeple, or telling them to do their own research when asked for evidence. That's them basically shifting the burden of proof from themselves, where it should be if they are making claims, to those challenging them. Childish tactics from childish minds.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. My default is to trust in conventional wisdom, science and recognised experts. I do maintain a healthy level of cynicism though. I frequently fact check things I read or view in the mainstream media. I'll look up press releases to verify what those being quoted actually said and to get more detail. I read studies that are referenced and search to see if there are others that might support or contradict them. I check the credentials of publishers, authors and alleged SMEs I'm not already familiar with to see if they are reputable. All that is far too much effort for the conspiracy theorist and runs the very real risk of bursting their bubble, so why would they?

You know what I actually can’t be bothered to explain myself and why I think what I do but I am most definitely not a conspiracy theorist. The majority of you on here clearly believe everything you’re being told by our government, who never lies. Also just because someone says do your own research that doesn’t mean they are a conspiracy theorist. I said do you own research because I am now interested in changing others opinions, was just giving mine. Good day to all

Cant be bothered?

Aye right.
Just plain Can't I'd say.

Probe me wrong?

Prove! PROVE me wrong. Jesus what a typo