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A vaccine is very likely to happen

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FreierFall · 29/04/2020 13:57

I've worked in big Pharma for years. I am 99% sure an effective vaccine will be produced this year. It's gonna happen, have faith in scientists. They will be working their butt off....

"Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla told The Wall Street Journal the company's COVID-19 vaccine could be ready for emergency distribution by the fall. The company could further be ready for a broader rollout by the end of the year, he added"

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Drivingdownthe101 · 04/05/2020 14:03

It didn’t come on until I had the vaccine so that’s a coincidence

Isn’t it? As you get the flu vaccine at the start of flu season it’s perfectly plausible.
The flu vaccine is not a live vaccine. It cannot give you flu.

bulliedintonamechange · 04/05/2020 14:05

I've been saying this and I have no reason for thinking it or experience in this, I just have a feeling. Stupid I know but sometimes a bit of positive thinking goes a long way :-) I've had to tell my Mum this today who is in absolute bits having not been out and seen anyone for 8 weeks. It's so sad, it has to work

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 14:08

It is scientifically impossible for the flu vaccine to give you flu. You may have felt a bit unwell as your immune system responded to the vaccine (bit achy etc for a few days) but the vaccine cannot give you flu.

You might also have happened to catch the flu at around the time you received the vaccine as the vaccine takes around 2 weeks to be effective.

The Oxford vaccine is not a live vaccine. I am not sure if there are any live vaccines in development.

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 14:11

@DaisylovesDonald yes, I read that too this morning. Very positive.

I’m really hoping we have antibody tests in place by June and a better idea of how well the vaccine is performing by July.

If we can get there on those things there really will be light at the end of the tunnel.

Xtinalee · 04/05/2020 14:17

How do vaccines effect people with a Primary immunodeficiency disorder?

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 14:19

If you suspect you have a Primary Immunodeficiency Disorder I suggest you see your GP for a diagnosis and then take their advice.

Xtinalee · 04/05/2020 14:23

I have tried and they’re refusing to listen to me because they brush my suspicions aside and tell me I’m too anxious. It’s so frustrating. All my symptoms are there yet they are refusing to take me seriously 😓

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 14:30

I recognise you username and it does seems as though you suffer from some health anxiety and it is clear your GP is also concerned about that. Hopefully they have/are putting in place some support for that.

That said, here is a link you might find helpful which contains information on the symptoms of PID and also advice on how to find a clinical immunologist.

www.piduk.org/whatarepids/symptomsanddiagnosis

If you have all of the symptoms perhaps it would help to print out the list, mark all of them off and return to the GP and ask for a referral.

Noooblerooble · 04/05/2020 14:57

I'm just confused as other countries have reloable anribody tests. France and Germany seem to. So why the delay to us getting them?

Keepdistance · 04/05/2020 15:08

The child flu spray is live. But presumably weakened.
Dd has had a reaction the last 2y so i would have been asking for a jab this year. The reaction is a bit like lupus flare where the body is overreacting. Or could just be it affects sleep or makes her tired.
Aside from that anyway we reached a point where she wont have anything medical done and refused at school and at the mop up clinic so i had to hold her down and honestly it's probably easier to hold her down for a jab than a nasal spray.

The live spray also sheds so potentially giving people around you a mild dose of flu.
The rotavirus baby one is also live and you have to wash hands carefully for maybe 2w after chsnging nappies. Polio is also live.

Keepdistance · 04/05/2020 15:14

I suspect some sort of cover up as to why we cant manage to do antibody tests. As one of the testing chemical companies said they had the reagents the gov needed, though not sure if thats the antibody tests.
Somehow other countries had them like a month ago.
Not su re what they are wofried about.
Us not being immune (so still hiding at home?)
or everyone being immune. (So they havent stopped the spread or locked down early enough)
Or if everyone is immune then uk maybe to blame for everyone getting it. (Maybe we took it to italy /europe as it coincided with our half term)
Also antibody tests might show if kids did catch it at school

Drivingdownthe101 · 04/05/2020 15:21

I think a cover up over antibody tests is a little far fetched. If that was the case I’d imagine they’d be pushing the ‘there’s no point doing antibody tests as we have no idea if infection leads to immunity’ angle far more.
More likely just our government’s incompetence at procuring them.

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 15:21

I really don’t think there is a cover up. What would they be covering up and why? If lots of people have had it that’s good. The death rate is lower, the level of natural immunity will slow transmission. If very few people have had it then that accords with the modelling.

Antibody tests are being carried out but only on a small scale and they are not accurate enough to give an individual certainty as to whether they have had the virus. They are useful to try and ascertain how widespread the virus is in the community.

Chris Whitty has talked about this quite a lot in the daily briefings. Antibody tests in other countries are only being carried out for the same purpose as far as I’m aware. To try to work out the level of exposure so far.

Hopefully this new test will be more helpful on an individual level.

DaisylovesDonald · 04/05/2020 15:26

I see so many posters saying things are being covered up - do they think we live in China?? Sure we don’t know everything, and sure there will be things we haven’t (and probably won’t) been told , but mass cover ups? I don’t think so.

IcedPurple · 04/05/2020 15:31

Somehow other countries had them like a month ago.

Where are all these countries which could test entire populations for antibodies a month ago?

Britain does have antibody tests, just not enough to roll out population wide. I believe that is the case in most other countries too. This idea that every country apart from Britain is handing this crisis smoothly is getting a bit tiresome.

Ponoka7 · 04/05/2020 15:40

It's not just about vaccines. Treatments are important and being developed every week. Danish teams have discovered a human antibody which prevents Sars from developing in human cells. This will be a massive development if it shows that it does the same for Covid.

Drivingdownthe101 · 04/05/2020 15:42

Pretty sure there aren’t any countries with a population wide antibody test. So if we’re covering something up then I guess they must be too.

Keepdistance · 04/05/2020 15:54

I didnt say they antibody tested the whole population but certainly thousands.
Nyc found 20% immune that was weeks ago. It's now 25% i think. But over the same period uk was saying to the press that the tests dont work.

The gov certainly were hiding something/controlling info before lockdown as they even said they were going to control social media and were deleting MN posts.

Possibly they are worried Trump will sue us?!il

Yes they are probably just incompetent though. (Although actually a uk company was saying they had loads of tests and tried to sell them to gov ended up giving up and were sold i think to Germany.)the same i think happened with ppe uk companies offering but they got it elsewhere.

IcedPurple · 04/05/2020 15:57

I didnt say they antibody tested the whole population but certainly thousands.

Who's 'they'?

But over the same period uk was saying to the press that the tests dont work.

They were referring to tests which they were hoping to use population wide. Unfortunately they weren't as accurate as had been hoped. That doesn't mean that antibody tests weren't conducted at all. I don't think Britain has been very different from 'other countries' in this regard, though to read MN, you'd swear all these 'other countries' had dealt with this pandemic flawlessly and Britain was the only exception.

*The gov certainly were hiding something/controlling info before lockdown as they even said they were going to control social media and were deleting MN posts.

Possibly they are worried Trump will sue us?!il*

FFS.

runrunrunrunt · 04/05/2020 16:01

I see so many posters saying things are being covered up - do they think we live in China?? Sure we don’t know everything, and sure there will be things we haven’t (and probably won’t) been told , but mass cover ups? I don’t think so.

No you're right. Britain would never do that. So trustworthy 🤣🤣🤣🤣

DaisylovesDonald · 04/05/2020 16:46

@runrunrunrunt lol, I’m not a conservative fan and nor do I think the government is inherently trustworthy, I just think that there is unlikely to be any kind of mass cover up going on - pretty hard to manage at the best of times in a free society never mind in a situation under such scrutiny as this.

Drivingdownthe101 · 04/05/2020 16:50

I think a mass cover up overestimates the governments intelligence.

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 18:20

Hanlon’s Razer - “Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be explained by stupidity”.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 04/05/2020 18:28

The vaccine will most likely be a bit of the virus DNA

What DNA? The virus is RNA.