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A vaccine is very likely to happen

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FreierFall · 29/04/2020 13:57

I've worked in big Pharma for years. I am 99% sure an effective vaccine will be produced this year. It's gonna happen, have faith in scientists. They will be working their butt off....

"Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla told The Wall Street Journal the company's COVID-19 vaccine could be ready for emergency distribution by the fall. The company could further be ready for a broader rollout by the end of the year, he added"

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Blackbear19 · 03/05/2020 15:18

CountFosco
We had the full sequence of Covid-19 within weeks of the first infection. We will get either cheap and effective treatments or a vaccine for this. Science is so amazing and powerful

I'm loving your thinking. Smile
We will get there that I have faith. But until we do we seem to be not much better off than the people of the 1665 plague outbreak, stay home if you / your family are infected.

We are all to used to turning up at hospital and Doctors knowing what they are dealing with and getting told right the issue is x the treatment plan is ABC.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 03/05/2020 16:50

If it was 1665 the churches would still be open and we would be going even more than usual and merrily spreading it there.
We would also be killing our cats and dogs and making medicine from oil of scorpions and all sorts of crazy shit.
My point is that although our main strategy looks the same, at least we don't have lots of other futile but harmful stuff piled on top of it. (Unless we have been listening to Donald Trump of course.)

drcb83 · 04/05/2020 07:54

www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01221-y?fbclid=IwAR3kBS1iJlthxxwb1KlUMAwTpjOJswNCU10nljazW5Z9FOjBtMc5teZhGKA

This is a great explanation of how the different types of vaccines work

SliAnCroix · 04/05/2020 07:59

I agree OP and I"m glad you think this. Unlike you I do not work in pharma.
But I thought, this is possible and so many teams are working on it urgently and collaborating which they haven't before. Ordinarily we're told the timeline could be 18 months, well, in this situation, we're already 3 months in to a MASSIVE collaboration.

I am hoping there'll be a vaccine by October or November

walkingchuckydoll · 04/05/2020 08:08

Realistically by time they have it and then the 6-12 months it takes for the entire country to receive it, everyone will have been exposed by then anyway as lockdown will end way before that

But with the mexican flu vaccine I think that the vulnerable had it about two months after the USA did? So it doesn't have to take that long.

Also, it doesn't have to work 99% like childhood vaccines and not everybody needs to have it. If it works for enough people we will halt the disease by herd immunity.

cantory · 04/05/2020 10:13

They have a vaccine, they are testing it at the moment. They said if tests go okay first doses will be available by October and millions of doses by Xmas.

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 10:23

I think when they estimated the original 18 months they just had no idea of the scale of the collaboration or the limitless resources that would be thrown at this.

Plus the Oxford team had decided to see if their technology would work for this Very early on as a bit of a lab experiment (they planned to write a paper) but then obviously ramped this up massively when it became clear it was going to be a big problem. They’ve been on this for 4/5 months already.

I know there is talk of it taking a while to get it out to everyone but that’s only if it’s being done on an appointment basis at the GP. lf it comes to it surely we can get the army involved, have pop up vaccination centres, go into schools, workplaces. We don’t have to be constrained by how things have been done before.

cantory · 04/05/2020 10:28

Yes army could be involved. But at my GP surgery they vaccinate lots of people for the flu in flu days. No appointments. You turn up, go in and it takes about 2 minutes to give you the injection. Chemists could be drafted in to help. And school nurses.

Drivingdownthe101 · 04/05/2020 10:31

They will be having to vaccinate for flu alongside Covid when the vaccine is available.

drcb83 · 04/05/2020 10:34

Vaccines can take days or weeks to take effect, so we would need to make sure social distancing was maintained during dosing. Otherwise people could get the disease before they have time to build up antibodies and render the vaccine effective.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 04/05/2020 10:44

So no getting jabbed and then going straight off to see your grandchildren then, drcb83?!

Chillipeanuts · 04/05/2020 10:46

Oxford and AstraZeneca are reportedly making rapid progress too.

🤞

cantory · 04/05/2020 10:46

@drcb83 That just means long queues, perfectly possible. The volunteers could be drafted in to help with this.

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 10:49

I’m sure whatever SD requirements are in place by the time the vaccine comes along can be maintained. The track and trace system can be maintained too.

Normal flu vaccinations can be given to those eligible at the same time as the COVID vaccine provided there is no need to have them separately.

If GP’s opened for both days at the weekends and possibly in the evenings for a few months I’d have thought you could blast through quite a lot of the population fairly quickly. You could also ask community NHS staff (health visitors etc) to operate additional clinics in places like schools, leisure centres, community centres.

Operate it similarly to supermarkets. Limited numbers inside, people given time slots to arrive and queue outside 2m apart.

cantory · 04/05/2020 10:51

So at my surgery you could have 3 people queuing inside, everyone else outside, and as one person leaves, the next goes in. Volunteers already help at flu days. And encourage people attending to wear a scarf or similar.
Chemist could do 1 in and 1 out. Takes longer but possible. Additional points set up for surgery staff in local community centre to maintain social distancing and church hall.
Lots of people are qualified to give an injection, so ask for people to volunteer to help. They will all need PPE of coiurse.

Sunshinegirl82 · 04/05/2020 10:55

I’m really hoping that somewhere someone is already drawing up plans for this.

If Oxford pull it out of the bag (fingers crossed!) then we could be looking as the start of a mass vaccination campaign in September/October which is really not that far away.

drcb83 · 04/05/2020 12:57

@countess Deffo!!! It is part of the reason people always say 'I had the flu jab and it gave me flu'.

JustSew · 04/05/2020 13:05

I think being optimistic helps me to cope mentally with the prospect of not going out for months. Most things I'm reading though, still suggest it will be nearer 18 months than October.

Xtinalee · 04/05/2020 13:55

The flu vaccine did give me flu . Do you think this vaccine will be live? If I have a PID as I suspect then the vaccine isn’t safe if it’s live

Drivingdownthe101 · 04/05/2020 13:56

The flu vaccine can’t give you flu, as it isn’t a live vaccine.

Xtinalee · 04/05/2020 13:57

I felt like I had flu.

Drivingdownthe101 · 04/05/2020 13:58

You may have had flu. If so, you would have caught it before the vaccine.

Xtinalee · 04/05/2020 14:00

It didn’t come on until I had the vaccine so that’s a coincidence.

DaisylovesDonald · 04/05/2020 14:02

Things looking more promising for an antibody test as well...
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-antibody-test-with-almost-100-accuracy-could-be-in-uk-in-weeks-11982834?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter