A vaccine is very likely to happen

[FreierFall]

I've worked in big Pharma for years. I am 99% sure an effective vaccine will be produced this year. It's gonna happen, have faith in scientists. They will be working their butt off....

"Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla told The Wall Street Journal the company's COVID-19 vaccine could be ready for emergency distribution by the fall. The company could further be ready for a broader rollout by the end of the year, he added"

Where's the vaccine for the common cold?

There are over 200 strains of common cold, only around 400 of which are coronaviruses. Colds are also, for the vast majority of people, just mildly inconvenient. There is no impetus (or funding) to develop 200 separate vaccines to prevent the common cold.

4 of which are coronoviruses, not 400!

There are dozens of companies trying to make a vaccine - Bill Gates isn't funding all of them!

The U.K. one he is though

There are animal coronavirus vaccines. And thry are building on knowledge from work on developinh mers/sars vax.
Hopefully they get a vax otherwise we will all have shorter lives maybe we wont need nursing home s and might all have to retire at 50-60?

I’m sure it will be entirely possible to avoid having any vaccine developed with funding by Bill Gates if a person would prefer not to have one.

Quite what sinister motive a person might have for eliminating polio I do not know.

I’m all for having the vaccine. Just read stuff on twitter about bill gates being dangerous and wanting to depopulate

In my view those people are anti vax conspiracy nuts and I would give their views the same amount of time and attention as I give to those who think the queen is a lizard, ie none.

Well if it was on Twitter it must be true....

I know there’s loads of them spouting off. Wonder if there’s any truth in the TB jab protecting from covid19 I have my doubts though because people my age would have had it as I did and they’re still suffering , some severely 😞

Well there may we’ll be some truth in it, probably too early to know for definite. Given it’s a vaccine for something else it’s not going to protect everyone who has had it entirely.

I did read about vitamin d deficiency being an important factor of people with severe cases. How much is too much though? I eat healthily eg) tin of tuna and an avocado for lunch today and always eat fruit and veg but recommended is 10-20 a day yet a run of tuna has way more so it’s so confusing . I bought vitamin C supplements which are 500mg but the recommended dose is so much less than that ! Anyone know? Sorry for off topic

50mg per day is what drjohn campbell is taking and he is a big advocate for the vitamin d theory.
It cannot harm. Ive been taking it for months. I had tb injection in about 1985 i think!
Fewer deaths per 100,000 was the claim made for countries whose population had had tb injection. So i wont relax becsuse i have had it.

The evidence that vitamin D has an effect on cv19 is the same as the evidence that eating turnips has an effect. i.e. none.

You will mostly make enough through ordinary exposure to sunlight, though maybe not if you have dark skin, cover yourself, or are imprisoned indoors.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-vitamin-d-role-covid-mortality.amp

Actually the evidence for vit d is pretty much conclusive.
It is not new evidence. !
It is from research over many many years.
Ok so how do you explain
-bame deaths
-different deaths in different countries/within a country

• age risk increasing around 45 (whrn you can absorb less)

-even the seasonal nature of colds/flu/.. It is not exactly rocket science -even the connection to being overweight (less likely to be outside exercising,diabetes,something to do with how they store it i think after all it is stored in fat..)

• care homes where people arent exactly sat in the sun

-nhs staff who probably work shifts so getting out in daylight less

• vit d affects cytokine storms (why people end up in icu)

Of course they may find it is not so easy as just give the people supplements. As it does take a while to build up. And for some people a lifestyle that leads to low vit d may be the risk factor so more people happen to be deficient.

we now slather ourselves in suntan lotion and kids before going into school.
It isnt really in foods.
Why would you think people arent deficient.
How many people do you know who go outside every break time (has to be around mid day).

If we assume
BAME people are deficient as it takes longer to make it
Kids because of suntan lotion particularly on school days
Care home people
Very pale skinned as they cant sit out without burning
Overweight
Over 45s

Tbh we are probably only left with builders/gardeners/sunbathers/smokers/homeless. And people living in the countryside with no air polution. Pregnant people who might be on supplements and other people on supplements so maybe middle class.
Other countries do fortify foods. And take cod liber oil.
Look at sweden even without such strict measures they are doing ok. (Except apparently the somali who cover their skin up plus wont absorb as much anyway

Nhs page says to supplement as we dont get enough...
Vitamin deficiency does cause illness scurvy (C) and rickets D

When i was at school i didnt have to have suntan lotion on every day i didnt burn but where i live in uk my kids definitely would even in just the lunch hour (and obviously nursery and reception are often out a very long time

@Keepdistance

"It is from research over many many years"

how many years of research into CV19 do you think there have been?

PigletJohn, research over many years confirms high levels of vitamin d deficiency here and elsewhere in Europe and especially in people with darker skin. It also confirms the connection between adequate D levels and fighting respiratory infection.
With this in mind there has been a whole bunch of research done since the start of the pandemic, much of it published on medarxiv in the last two or three weeks, and it is very strongly suggesting a direct link with covid.
I won't link here as it's all on the other vitamin d threads. But you are absolutely wrong to say there is no evidence. There is, and it's getting stronger all the time.

The U.K. one he is though

Cue Twilight Zone music.

Vitamin D - I'm taking 4,000 i.u. daily which is 100 mg according to the online calculator I'm using. 50 mg is 2000 i.u. Personally I know my Vitamin D level starts falling at anything below 4,000 i.u. daily. Everyone is different of course. You can send off for finger prick Vit D tests if you want to know your level from www.vitamindtest.org.uk/

"The evidence that vitamin D has an effect on cv19"

is what I said.

You can speculate that some might arise in future.

Currently there is none.

It is not speculation they have tested vit d levels in other countries - read the evidence.
The people in icu were deficient compared to the people not in icu across several countries.

it will be interesting to read the research papers once they are written, reviewed and published.

That time has not yet come.

There are still plenty of people convinced that antimalerial drugs are the answer.

Try the preprint archive.

Too much vitamin D is toxic . A safe level is between 10-20 ug I believe? Can anyone confirm? As I said I eat healthily with vitamin d packed fruit veg. Should I also take 10ug a day on top of healthy diet?