BA possibly making up to 12,000 redundant. Here we go. Recession looming.

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Life has ground to a halt and BA don’t think we will be flying in the same numbers as before. This is 25% of their staff. This is serious.

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I think the redundancy notice period is 40 days hence why the wave of redundancies before the furlough deadline.

The uk can’t keep paying furlough - we are already massively in debt and it will lead to huge tax increases for anyone still in a job. The longer we pay furlough, the higher our taxes.

It’s Brexit all over again

Government didn’t say anything for three years, so businesses couldn’t plan

So ordinary people employed in businesses couldn’t plan

There do seem to be a lot of MNers who are either very independently wealthy or who have little concept of how jobs actually work.

I’m increasingly concerned by their obsession with keeping R below 1. Didn’t they start by saying 1 was okay?

R of 1 in inherently unstable, the tipping point from decline to growth , so below 1 makes more sense

But surely we have to have growth, or there’s no economy.

Wait, £167k?! If I earned that I’d have a shed load of savings.

I agree there needs to be a global rethink. We can't have people living in abject poverty while other people have obscene wealth mentioning no names. And if we are told to reduce carbon footprints working from homeme and less air travel would be a good thing.

@Newgirls in the UK the statutory redundancy notice period depends on how long you’ve been employed. It can vary from at least a week to 12 weeks at the most. Your contact of employment can vary this but it can’t shorten the statutory provisions.

www.gov.uk/redundancy-your-rights/notice-periods

Third world living standards here we come

What, like shitting in a hole in the ground, unsafe drinking water and the constant threat of sexual assault? Don't be ridiculous.

Vicious if you’d told me three months ago that I’d be quarantined fir a disease that kills a tiny proportion of the population, I’d have said the same.

But LilacTree1 they knew Brexit was coming the majority voted for it even if the minority tried to thwart it oh yes and then the majority voted for it again whilst the minority tried to thwart it again and third time is the charm.
So businesses had plenty of time to prepare for Brexit whilst others played silly burgers
BASSA are spot on to say this has been a while coming it predates Brexit and Covid BA wants cabin crew to become below minimum wage workers and pilots to work the dubiously safe hours that Ryan Air pilots work and a few admin and baggage workers will be sacrificed to achieve that

I havent watched the press conferences recently. Does anyone ever ask about the likely impact on unemployment of the aim to keep r below 1 at all times?
Interesting comment upthread that this Announcement is signalling to the government to take into account the impact on corporations, and particularly the effect on unemployment. It is not something that i have heard mentioned in the press cons, though as i say i havent watched recently.

Did I think the fact that there were so many alterations and interruptions to Brexit made planning very hard. I appreciate that’s not the fault of this current government, just hoped they’d learn from the mistake.

acorns yes, I’ve not been watching them but was that a glimmer of hope that they’ve remembered how people put food on the table?

Also, there’s a fundamental problem now that people will be terrified to go in and in some places, you’ve only got to say you’ve got a cough and you can’t go in, or say someone else in your household has it.

If they want R below 1, lockdowns could come and go.

Didn’t they say London was already 0.5 - 0.7?

Guardian reports that the office of budget responsibility forecasts 55% fall in manufacturing output this quarter.

It would be interesting to know The current forecasts of the different effect of various r strategies (keep below 1, wait for it to go much lower than currently before easing restrictions etc,) on unemployment. I realise they would be tentative and have fairly wide ranges!

BASSA are spot on to say this has been a while coming it predates Brexit and Covid

Having just had site of some comms regarding the proposals for BA Cabin crew IMHO there does indeed seem to be an element of "never waste a crisis".....

site! I meant "sight"...

55% down...😳 that does need to step up and quickly

There are state owned airlines that will see this out. Private or publicly quoted airlines have massive problems with a 91% drop off in customers. The idea that all employees will be kept on with NO WORK to do is just a ridiculous proposition. Manufacturing will do the same before long. Ryanair have just announced up to 3000 job losses.

In business, if your overheads are not met by income from customers you are effectively finished. All businesses will hunker down and make plans for redundancy. Airlines are worst hit right now and who says anyone will travel much in the next year or so. People are scared and how do you manage social distancing?

The airports employ baggage handlers and so many more support staff. Many of them will all go too.

How can manufacturing “step up” with no orders??? Love to know how that works.

Is it realistic for the stuff that we have found difficult to source during CV to from now on be made in the UK? Scrubs, PPE, reagent etc.
Didn’t Germany have a much easier time of it because they had more and better equipped labs ready to leap into action with testing?

The Union has sent a fantastic email calling out BA on their bullshit reasons for supposedly making all these staff redundant. Back during the Gulf War pilots accepted a deal whereby they were taken on as cabin crew in order to retain their employment, that situation was as bad as it is now. This is one of the many queries fired back at BA, because their redundancy reasons aren't adding up. For now there's not been a response back, but it will be very interesting to see what they come up with for their indefensible excuses...

“ The Union has sent a fantastic email calling out BA on their bullshit reasons for supposedly making all these staff redundant.”

Why are they bullshit reasons? I don’t go abroad but I’d be delighted to hear if there’s any expectation of normal coming back soon.

BA pay better than the budget airlines and the average pay for pilots is £167,000

No it's not.

Average starter pay is less than an ambulance driver. Those on over £120k work overtime, or are on old contracts. £167k is an extremely high number only those very, very few on Captaincy older contracts are on.

Why are they bullshit reasons

Because the reasons they are giving, including figures, aren't adding up and they have quite rightly been called out to justify what the heck they're talking about by the unions. They only recently announced huge profits numbering in the millions. The parent company IAG are only announcing redundancies in the UK - why? Why are they not following past precedents they followed with previous crisis in the industry? Why have they hinted at giving up their lucrative Gatway routes as a reason for redundancy, which they would never do as it utterly doesn't make business sense. And so on.

Thanks You

I thought they’d give the reason “we have no idea when normal service will resume” and frankly, much I’d be up for using the union to get the best deal, I can’t see what airlines are meant to do in this situation.