Coronovirus is a hoax

[MamaFrey29]

I don't understand this theory AT ALL. How can people seriously believe this?

People are dying and yet, there are people who don't believe this and think hospitals are empty.

Not sure the point of this post. I guess to hear that other people think this theory is crazy!?

I have a friend who believes it's a hoax.
It makes me very cross.
I know somebody who went into hospital for emergency treatment, caught the virus and died.
That's partially why the hospitals are empty, to try and protect people from catching it.
I don't see why care home residents have been written off though, its monstrously unfair on them and their staff, who will be receiving high viral loads.

Why be so reliant on others to tell you what the end game is @SpnBaby1967? Being a sceptic or a critic doesn't mean those people hold the answers. Do some research of your own, come back and tell us what you think the point of it all is. That's assuming you think there's anything to research. It's just lazy to demand answers from internet randoms if you're not prepared to put the work in to answer your questions yourself. I would not pretend to know. All i personally have are questions and a big web of interconnected people with vested interests.

"Mockery is the default every time" and it always will be for lame conspiracy theories. I remember the good old days when people worked at them. The JFK assassination for example.

Of course they had better material to work with there as powerful groups did want him dead. There was motive and capability at least. Now to make a new conspiracy theory you just pick two keywords from headlines and form a sentence with them.

So you get '5G causes virus' but later when the virus has gone it will be 'EU targets UK with 5G as a warning to others not to leave' and so on. Has anyone done "5G was used to kill JFK" yet. How about "5G caused moon to dissolve" We need something like that to explain why NASA had to put the fake moon up there. (yes they really do think that)

Ok @lasttraineat you just carry on believing everything you're told by the government and the MSM, whilst people like me continue engage our critical faculties to ask the difficult questions. You're happy, I'm happy.

whilst people like me continue engage our critical faculties believe whatever shite makes us feel special.

FIFY

Dazzling that's so appalling. The govt have a lot to answer for.

Of course it's not a hoax, but hospitals are empty.
I've friends and associates who work in hospitals who have told me this.
A colleagues wife of dh in London, told him.
I've heard HCP on here say so too.

There are also many dying with Covid 19, and the figures are of those who died in hospital so obviously include cancer patients, stroke, heart attacks, etc. They died of their disease, but teated positive for the virus.

If it's a hoax, then why are my COVID-19 symptoms so apparently well COVID like? I'm still unwell after 7 weeks in bed, with spiking temperature, cough and sometimes breathing difficulties and chest pain? I've never been so unwell in my life, despite not having gone to hospital. There are also 2 people local to us who have died of the virus, which has been shocking, and unnerving too.

If you have no actual experience of COVID-18, count yourself very lucky. It's not a reason to decide that it's not real. I haven't had any personal experience of HIV, I don't suggest that means that it doesn't exist.

Speak for yourself @gooigi. Oh, sorry, that would involve you having to put a reasoned argument together. Well, have a go, anyway.

LMAO, reasoned arguments. Like there's anything that anyone can say to a conspiracy loon that isn't going to be met with 'well that's what they want you to think'. You just get off on believing that you have some super secret knowledge that makes you smarter than the sheeple. Enjoy your delusions, I just hope you don't end up using them as a justification to hurt someone as so many of your ilk do.

I don't think anyone is saying it's not real @Mittens030869. If you read the thread, people are saying it's being exploited for political gain and in some cases weaponised against vulnerable (and expensive) groups - for example the way the elderly in care homes have essentially been left to die and not even counted in the daily statistics, and the way ventilators have been pushed as appropriate treatment as opposed to less invasive methods, even though the stats clearly show they're highly inappropriate and result in a 50% death rate. See also the surge in DNRs for otherwise healthy learning disabled and autistic people.

Yes, it is funny to think that you might have come up with something sensible to add to the debate @gooigi. Thanks for pointing that - of course it was never going to happen . I gave you a chance though. If you're happier throwing ridiculous insults and unfounded accusations around, so be it.

Yes I know there are those that say that, and actually I think there's a grain of truth in what they're saying about care homes. What's been happening in guest homes has been disgraceful, no doubt about that.

I was responding to people who were saying that they do had no experience of COVID-19 at all.

The title of the thread is 'Is coronavirus is a hoax?' No one has put their head above the parapet to say that they do, they have spoken about friends/family members who believe that.

On one thread. there was one poster who stated that she believed COVID-19 is a hoax, although she was a fanatical conspiracy theorist and wouldn't be convinced otherwise.

How do those who believe it’s a hoax explain the NYC figures as shown in this article. The death “spike” is truly off the scale!

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html

@ememem84 oooooh that's interesting!

It is weird that we are being asked to use the phone trackers though! I don't like that one bit!

I do wonder what it would have been like if this had happened 10 years ago when there was no constant media streams, social media etc

?You never heard about the frog in the pot of slowly heated water. Cooked before realizing the water is boiling.... You think big brother is a joke?
www.france24.com/en/20200324-100-000-cameras-moscow-uses-facial-recognition-to-enforce-quarantine

factsnotfiction surely any Quarantine restrictions should be adhered to, I don’t see the issue with using facial recognition in these circumstances.

How lucky we now have a disease that normalises the wearing of face masks then @Factsnotfiction. Big brother sure fucked up on that one.

I don't think it's a hoax but I can see why people might do.

For a start, there are a lot of undercurrents of things that are unfair, discriminatory, or hypocritical in political life, and social life. Some of these things are spoken about, some are not. I think life experiences dictate how much people notice this stuff - you notice more if marginalised, even if you can't put it into words. But it primes you to believe that things aren't quite right and then people latch onto conspirary theories...

Secondly, this whole situation is WEIRD. We've very quickly had to adapt to a "new normal", a lot of which goes against basic social behaviour, that we've learned from birth, as well as natural instincts. So people will be unsettled on a really deep level, it's frightening, beyond conscious reason.

Thirdly, the way people are treating the virus and politicians are dealing with it doesn't add up. I don't think a virus that kills 1% of the populaion can really be called a "deadly" virus, in terms of the everyday understanding of that word. So it's easy to think it's being exaggerated. Also the keenness of politicians to lockdown the population yet still not have a grip on borders, and to get people back to work but you're still not supposed to hug your mum... it feels very dystopian. I mean, fgs, we're living in a society where it is illegal to enter each other's homes! (That's fucking massive! It overwhelmes me if I stop to think about it.) Where people will be able to go to a restaurant for dinner but not a friend's house, all sat at their distanced tables, viewing others as potenitally contaminated... where people can only meet in the open (again, this is probably largely felt at the subconscious level, to do with privacy). Not to mention the hypocrisy of politicians not obeying the rules, so it might be easier to think they know something we don't... It's a mess of conflicting information that's potentially satisfying to solve with a conspiracy theory.

Disclaimer: I agree with lockdown and don't think it's a massive hoax, but am questioning some of the measures and think the harm of lockdown in some cases outweighs the risk so rules should be modified. I also understand the need to get the economy moving, even though instinctually it feels wrong.