Coronovirus is a hoax

[MamaFrey29]

I don't understand this theory AT ALL. How can people seriously believe this?

People are dying and yet, there are people who don't believe this and think hospitals are empty.

Not sure the point of this post. I guess to hear that other people think this theory is crazy!?

Lemon look at the government guidelines for death certificates during covid 19. There’s a change of who can certify the death etc, emphasis of no need for autopsy (agree unless suspect foul play, but that’s a change to their usual rules).

Patrick Vallance said at the briefing (paraphrased) “Some deaths will be recorded as Covid 19 without having been tested and it’s very important to understand the difference”.

I don’t think it’s a hoax. I do think it’s fantastic opportunity to carry out behavioural tests and see how far government can go, and a way to run down the nhs and “save” it for the least well off, like the US. Private insurance is coming.

X post with Breathe - not what Sir Patrick said and I’d rather believe him, I’m afraid.

@Patchworksack There has been a suppression of direct first person reports from hospitals and staff have been told not to talk to the press.

You can find firsthand reports from patients who have survived Coronavirus in pretty much any press outlet - local papers, BBC news online.
Staff are being told not to talk to the press - this is just a reinforcement of any Hospital Trust policy. We are not able to discuss ANY patient care as we have to respect confidentiality, regardless of what claims are being made.

Here’s a clip of Sir Patrick’s comments

twitter.com/Commons41570174/status/1251444936823713792

And also - if fewer people are dying than the conspiracy theorists feel should be dying, does it not occur to them that this is because o the measures which have been put in place?

That if our lives had continued as normal, then those hospital wards would be filled with hundreds of people on the point of death? And that we would be burying bodies in mass graves?

The problem with any course of action is that we can't know what would have happened if we hadn't taken it, and had done something else instead.

I don't think that any government would lightly take action which affects the economy the way all european governments have regarding corona. You can see that they are champing at the bit to get people back to work.

And we also know that when that happens, there will be another wave of deaths - the intention all along has been to keep the infection rate at a level the health service could cope with.

In hospital terms, I know one person who recovered from Covid and two who died (mum’s friends). The recovered one is 62. The others were 80+ and refused treatment.

It’s not a hoax. It’s just the political reaction is.....interesting.

Sorry, the 80+ WERE refused treatment, they didn’t refuse it.

“ You can see that they are champing at the bit to get people back to work.”

I would LOVE to see evidence of this.

Lilactree there are a number of threads on MN where the certification of death criteria are discussed in depth and at length by the people who actually do them. You might find it useful to read some of that information.

And as for the ‘I’m not a conspiracy theorist but...’
If it looks like a duck I’ll call it a duck

Lemon I’ve seen them and I’ve seen the guidelines

Slightly unclear why you are pointing me to me them? I believe in Covid, I’m just pointing out what Sir Patrick said.

As well as looking at death certificates they are also looking at total deaths per month which are running significantly higher than normal. This a a way to check if you are likely to have significant under or over reporting of deaths from corona

Some areas of the media are braying for lockdown to end , then this thread pops up.
Not a coincidence I bet.

No one mentioned the vaccine yet?

Friend a: there's no way I'm getting it. It's just a way of us all getting microchipped.
Friend b: I'd be wary of a vaccine developed so quickly in.case proper checks aren't adhered to.
Friend a: so.glad you agree with me!

X post with Breathe - not what Sir Patrick said and I’d rather believe him, I’m afraid

@LilacTree1 I heard him say that. I took it to be him referring to deaths in Nursing Homes. This was at the time there was a fuss about the true number of deaths being wrong because people in Nursing Homes weren’t counted. There were also conspiracy theories like above saying the gov were counting deaths as Covid when they weren’t due to Covid.

Patrick’s statement was unclear, but I think all he was trying to emphasise was that some people eg in care homes , had died of Covid but hadn’t received a test prior to dying. However, the cause of death was usually clear eg Carer in home tests positive, 10 residents get ill, only one tested, other 9 not. 8 of those residents die due to Covid. But they didn’t have a test.

Not being tested doesn’t mean someone didn’t die of Covid. People who clearly haven’t died of Covid are being recorded with the true cause of death.

Yep, got out of hospital two weeks ago - pneumonia caused by Covid. Still not 100%. Hearst’s not back to normal s9 will be fitted with a monitor. I saw awful things in Covid resus and the isolation ward...
certainly no hoax!

Yep, got out of hospital two weeks ago - pneumonia caused by Covid-19 (discharge note says SARS 2 infection). Still not 100%. Heart rate is not back to normal so will be fitted with a monitor. I saw awful things in Covid Resus and the isolation ward...
certainly no hoax!

Heaps of people think the Earth being spherical is a hoax, so it's not surprising.

I think one reason lots of people are so desperate to believe that mass shootings and other atrocities are hoaxes is because it would be so much better if these things weren't really happening in the world, our world in which we have to exist whether we like it or not. It's wishful thinking taken to an extreme.

I think the same applies to COVID - it would be lovely to believe that it's all made up and we're all going to be fine. Some people are so desperate to cling to that thought that they'll use confirmation bias to dismiss rational evidence and will lean towards the 'evidence' that gives their minds the comfort they need at this time.

How can people seriously believe this?

Because they are deluded easily-led fuckwits?

People are afraid. It makes it easier for them to believe that this is a hoax, because then they don't have to face the reality that this is happening and could happen again and again.

Humans like to have an illusion of control over their circumstances. When life goes into freefall, they create little routines and behaviours to try to exert control over that which they feel they can influence.

It's magical thinking. Crying hoax is just another way of trying to create an influence. You might as well stand in a field and shout 'Abracadabra'.

My brother keeps pointing out that on an average day approximately 1400-1600 people die in the UK on any normal day. And that the government are trying to apportion some of these to coronavirus.

How does your brother explain the weekly death tolls for the weeks ending 3rd and 10th April that were respectively 6000 and 8000 per week higher than average for this time of year? The 5 year average for the first part of April is around 10,000 a week. In the week ending 10th April there were 18,000 deaths. That is not far off double the usual number.

Longines “ it would be lovely to believe that it's all made up and we're all going to be fine. Some people are so desperate to cling to that thought“

If I thought it was made up to keep us in lockdown, I’d be even more upset than I am now.

"I think it’s orchestrated."

And how has it been orchestrated then? What exactly are you saying happened?
The guy in your video is making some interesting points, but he also looks slightly unhinged.

I'm stepping away from a lot of my friends over this there theories so far are

It doesnt exist

It's just flu

There are no more deaths than normal

No one I know personally has died of it which proves point 1

The government are putting everyone death as covid

The government are refusing to report deaths as covid

It's just a cold dettol kills it

I could go on but I wont bore you

Although the one interesting one which I did scoff at was the government are doing this to make money....by damaging the economy

I know people like that- they also mostly believe WHO is a global conspiracy and that all the news are fake, and they get their intel from some suspicious sources written by madmen. I had to unfriend people on social media as the trash kept on littering my feeds.