Posters who want lockdown lifted

[DianaT1969]

I'm seeing an increase in threads where the poster is impatient for exact details of an exit strategy (even though we can all imagine what it will involve - phased re-opening of some stores and businesses etc,,). Plus we're hearing the usual cries of lockdown is hurting society more than it's helping.
Spain saw a spike in new infections today - the highest since their peak 3 weeks ago. To these posters I'd like to ask what your thread titles will be during our spikes in infections and deaths after this lockdown?
What I'm really getting at is that you don't seem to understand that we're in this for the long haul. There is no quick fix, back to normal.

lightness

It's madness to compare us to Sweden ; they have a population of ten million and are lot bigger than the Uk in terms of size.

We are the most densely populated country in Europe- 67 million with 9 million in London alone.

We are like sardines.

@Bluntness100 agreed. The number of people who when they are told they are struggling with wfh and looking after children are told, “ask to be furloughed. Childcare is a reason”. I’m sure when the Chancellor started the scheme they didn’t factor in people being paid to stay at home looking after their children.

We are all observing cuurent rules.

I still dont care about covid deaths even if it is not pc to admit. My elderly parents dont either. We have all adapted but the restrictions are a pain. My kids miss school.

If my parents get it yes tragic for me but cest la vie. They are old. They might not want to die but death chooses you. Not the other way round.

Lifes too short to live under lockdown. It's the quality of life that matters not quantity.

Interestingly there are people on another thread saying how much their mental health has improved during lockdown as they are just chilling in the garden, no work, no money worries etc. That’s great for them, but it does seem that some might have other reasons for not wanting lockdown to end.

O want the lockdown lifted because I fundamentally disagree with it. Sweden seems to feel no need to lock up their citizens. Why should we?

@Blackbeans yes exactly.

Blackbeans I totally agree.

@Blackbeans many of my older relatives feel the same. They grew up when life wasn’t as safe. So they grew up with diseases like measles, polio and even smallpox. So I don’t think they have the fear many of us in the younger generation do - they are more accepting of risks and death in general.

My Great Aunt (whose in her 90s) told me she would rather see her family and take the risk then spend 12 - 18 months alone in her house, as she says, “what life is this?” She’s already signed a DNR.

I still dont care about covid deaths even if it is not pc to admit

I feel you. You know whats getting to me?- my mum died a horrible death from cancer. Noone highlighted her plight on the news or clapped the NHS for treating her or interviewed politicians about how they were going to improve cancer treatment outcomes or asked them what money they were investing in chemo drugs. It feels like people only care if you die from covid. If you die from anything else- well thats your tough shit.

If you don't care about covid deaths, then surely you don't care about other deaths either? Cancer patients, heart attacks... c'est la vie....?

It’s tricky. My grandmother is 87 and her husband died 3 months ago. She has started to lose her eyesight, meaning she can’t do all the intricate craft stuff she’s done since retirement. She was a nurse for 35 years so knows she has to stay at home to protect the NHS (anyone else sick of saying/hearing/typing those words?!). But she’s miserable. She’s entirely alone having just lost her husband, can’t see her family and can’t do anything she enjoys doing. She’s developed health anxiety since being home, when she was usually the least anxious person I’ve ever met. She doesn’t particularly care if she dies of Covid, but would rather not spend her last precious time on her own in her house going insane. But she’s doing what she needs to do. It’s awful.

I care about COVID deaths but no more than I care about any other deaths. And I don't fear it.

Nearly everything in life is a risk to your health. I don't think COVID is more of a risk to me than anything else. And far less of a risk than many other things.

Those who "don't care about covid", can I ask why you don't believe it possible that the NHS could become overwhelmed if everyone got unwell at once? And why you don't think it possible that many unwell people at once would affect delivery of vital services such as clean water, food, electricity and policing?

I agree that covid doesn't seem very fatal or serious for healthy younger people and whilst I'm hoping that lockdown will start lifting next month, I'm still not going to dismiss any covid death. In the same way it's a tragedy there are people dying at home for lack of medical care because of covid. That's a situation that needs to be addressed.

That's a situation that needs to be addressed

But this is what I mean- its not being addressed. By anyone.
The media, the government and lots of people on MN only care if you die from covid. They dont give a crap about other types of deaths.

Those who "don't care about covid", can I ask why you don't believe it possible that the NHS could become overwhelmed if everyone got unwell at once? And why you don't think it possible that many unwell people at once would affect delivery of vital services such as clean water, food, electricity and policing?

Isn't that why we're having a year programme of social distancing?

I think it's sensible to set a reasonable course of continuously re-calibrated limitations, based on verifiable NHS capacity metrics (these should be historically contextualised).

Unfortunately I think that this is where the relentless decade-long narrative about the NHS 'not coping' and its 'chronic underfunding' and so on is coming home to roost.

I don't really trust the NHS management to be honest about whether it can manage; it is a political animal.

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter and that right there is what I'm so shocked by. The unbelievable hypocrisy of caring basically about our own risk of death from covid. I decided to look up the TB stats last night. It has been declared a global health emergency by the WHo every year since 1993. 1.5 million people die of it every single year. And what fundraisers have we all done to help these overwhelmingly poor people who die lingering deaths? Oh yeah, absolutely jack shit. Because, basically, they live in poor countries and don't have the money to travel in sufficient numbers to infect us, so who cares? It's just the same I'm all right jack attitude that is so derided in the teenagers hanging out in the park. People still die of infectious diseases elsewhere, but now that it might be us we're losing our shit.

NHS England think we're past the peak and are starting planning next week how to get back to more normal service provision.

@MarginalGain - asking for metrics is good. I'm not sure it can just be about the NHS though. Some people who have been very unwell will take months to recover, a smaller number will take years to recover. Number of people on sick leave would logically make a difference to ability to deliver services.

@tootletum

Couldn't have said it better- I totally agree.
Which is why I cant take it seriously when people froth about how you are "killing people" by adding a curly wurly to your shopping basket or going out for more than 20 mins to walk the dog.
Total and utter hypocrites.

The NHS is managed terribly, and it isn't just because they're underfunded.

We have to look at the impact of covid on other services. CAMHS where I live is paused for all but the most exceptionally required assessments. It was already dismally failing to meet needs with a backlog and huge external inquiry having been done. The teenagers just cutting themselves with razor blades and probably taking half a dozen paracetamol at a time are not receiving assessments/care at all. They were poorly served before Covid. One only hopes all the staff are dealing with the huge backlogs of paperwork.

I seriously question what exactly outpatient, physio, day procedure, radiologists and all the associated admin are doing at present. Presumably all systems have been cleansed, every piece of correspondence answered, their areas cleaned, and teas and coffeez made for those staff rushed off their feet.

I am deeply proud of one half of the NHS but highly concerned about what exactly the other half is doing. Presumably there have been no nurse shortages to care for those patients remaining in hospital?

@Tootletum - People also die from lack of clean water, should water companies in this country just stop cleaning tap water? That's just as logical as your daft little rant.

@Kljnmw3459 all people deserve healthcare services. Are they all currently getting it?

I dont think it's wrong for people to ask for a plan or voice wishes for easing some restrictions as cases fall. They are not defying any social order.