CV19 was released from lab?

[Polly02]

This was talked about on Newsnight yesterday. There are top scientists that are sure that Covid 19 was in fact released from a lab (accidentally) and not through the wet markets.

I can't find this anywhere other than hearing it on Newsnight. Has anyone read this anywhere else recently?

Not the previous conspiracy theories.

[itsgettingweird]

Lego. I did say to my mum and aunt the other day I wonder if this will be the thing that's causes another species to discuss us like we do the dinosaurs

[KatySun]

There was an article about this in the Sunday Times at the weekend - a female virologist who worked with the bat viruses had given an interview to a science journal. By my recollection, she said she had sleepless nights when the sequence of the virus was identified until she had checked every sample record to ensure it had not come from the lab.

So if a scientist who worked there was worried it had come from her lab, what is so wrong with someone on here asking the same questions? It is a sensible question to ask given the proximity of the lab to where the outbreak started.

Curse of the ‘Bat Woman’ — what went on in Wuhan lab?

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/07994696-816a-11ea-8227-e20a959ee0a0

Sorry I don’t have a share token but the article also references a paper in the Lancet which says fourteen of the original 41 patients did not have a direct link to the market (this does not seem surprising to me given how infectious the virus is and there was certainly human to human transmission).

[Taciturn]

This is a meaty article about evidence covid19 was lab made with links to academic preprints. It also links to a take down of the Nature article cited above.

[Bearbehind]

Yep and when AIDS was revealed as a pandemic some people believed it was Gods retribution against Gay people

This is nothing like that

This is discussing theory that a virology lab studying the very viruses that have caused such devastation could have been the source

Exactly what is the problem with that?

[Bluntness100]

Our government has issued a statement on this awhile ago and have said it is not discounted and they are looking at a number of possible sources.

I don’t think the theory is it’s a man made virus that has escaped as such, I think it is some employees were sprayed by bat blood accidentally and then went into the community.

[Lockeddownandout]

@smilethoyourheartisbreaking while I agree that people tend to look for a cause for something out of their control, and that it isn't always helpful, I can't agree that we shouldn't worry about where a pandemic originated to reduce the risk of it in the future

Of course we can't control everything, but if there are questions over lab security this must be scrutinised to avoid "extra" pandemics in the future

Or maybe like you say we shouldn't care because we'll all get wiped out sooner or later. Best tell the scientists working on alternative strategies for antibacterial resistance, or virologists studying future antivirals, not to bother because we're all going to die anyway. And don't worry about lab security, we're due another pandemic so might as well have another few

[Inthesameboat10]

Have a watch of this -

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=6D853TA_Dls

[Bearbehind]

smile I’m not sure why you’re so keen to dismiss this as a possibility yet not explaining why it is not a credible theory

[jasjas1973]

A possible issue with this theory is China would have locked down Wuhan far far earlier and harder than they did if it had escaped from one of their labs.
First case is thought to be 8th Dec, lockdown was 23rd January.

Suggests China was surprised by this virus and didn't know what to do.

[creaturcomforts]

I don't think of myself as a tin foil hat wearer but I think it's normal to question this, as there are so many unanswered questions about the virus. No one knows for sure, why would it have taken until now for the virus to have been released from a wet market when the Chinese have had the same practice for years? Could be released by accident we will never know.

[DominaShantotto]

Never really going to know the truth- although I would tend more to the lab fuck up side than the big conspiracy one. Either it'll all be revealed in the end or people will speculate and finger point till they move on to something else I guess.

I'm not going to be a sanctimonious twat and start with the "oooh reported" because it's a thread I don't see the appeal in to try to shut it down though... I'd rather efforts were devoted at the moment to cleaning the mess we are in at the moment up first please so my kids can have their childhood

[slipperywhensparticus]

In my mind it's possible because the chances of a virus mutating and crossing species fine ok I will accept that its happened before etc but mutating crossing species and allegedly mutating again almost immediately? That seems a bit much?

[redbushtea]

I believe it was released from a lab. Wuhan is full of pharmaceutical companies - just google it - and they are not regulated like here.

Why do people believe it came from a wet market? Wet markets have been around for thousands of years in China, and no known case of viruses from them.

[Bubbletrouble43]

I think you're owed a few apologies op. Some people just love to jump in and try to be clever and bitchy. They've made themselves look a bit silly.

[Annamaria14]

Yes, I definitely think that there there was research on Coronaviruses in Wuhan, some one accidentally got infected and then passed it on

[jasjas1973]

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking

'exactly!

An epidemic of SARS affected 26 countries and resulted in more than 8000 cases in 2003. Since then, a small number of cases have occurred as a result of laboratory accidents or possibly, through animal-to-human transmission (Guangdong, China)

www.who.int/ith/diseases/sars/en/

[PicsInRed]

This is now a mainstream theory and discussion.

You all been keeping up with your current affairs?

[PhilCornwall1]

This has been doing the rounds in the Daily Fail on and off since this lockdown malarkey started.

Wuhan Institute of Virology or something similar they said in the Mail.

[FOJN]

There's loads of information out there on this theory.

The PhD student who is identified as patient zero has been missing for months. An official statement has been released to say she is alive, well and working but no one can find her. Her details have been removed from the lab webpage with all the researchers pictures and bios on. There is speculation she died and has been cremated. Presumably if she was OK the CCP would just get her to make a statement and put this rumour to bed so why haven't they.

I've read several reports which say there were no bats or pangolins at the wet market as it was a fish market. Hard to know if this is true as it's illegal to trade pangolin but there is a large and increasing trade in it anyway.

I'm keeping an open mind but I do not think the suggestion it originated in the Whuhan lab is unreasonable as there is a fair bit of compelling evidence.