CV19 was released from lab?

[Polly02]

This was talked about on Newsnight yesterday. There are top scientists that are sure that Covid 19 was in fact released from a lab (accidentally) and not through the wet markets.

I can't find this anywhere other than hearing it on Newsnight. Has anyone read this anywhere else recently?

Not the previous conspiracy theories.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Wet markets have been around for thousands of years in China, and no known case of viruses from them.

I don't believe in birds. There were dinosaurs for millions of years and they didn't evolve into birds. Why did they suddenly evolve into birds?

Viruses evolve and mutate. All the time. It's an arms race with immune systems. If viruses didn't mutate and evolve, there wouldn't ever be new diseases.

[Keepdistance]

I read they had a problem with lab test animals being sold for food.

I think the concern is SARs did escape.


Mers they think comes from camels.

Either way it needs looking at as SARs and SARs2 from china.

[pigoons]

The bit I haven't been able to understand re the wet market bat - other animal - human transmission is that scientists haven't been able to identify the intermediate animal. There were thoughts early on that it was a pangolin but this has never been confirmed which I find slightly odd.
So in my mind it is possible that there is another source we don't know about i.e. direct bat to human transmission in a lab

[Polly02]

Yes that clip is on I player.

Start watching from 31.00 - it was the 20.04.20 episode.

[Inkpaperstars]

Yes I saw this on Newsnight and was surprised to hear that the theory is considered very likely true by some top public health officials. I think they said that the virus is not considered to be man made, but rather a naturally occurring virus held in a lab. Newsnight corespondent said a lab that exists to store and study these viruses and try to prevent further SARs type outbreaks is practically next door to the wet market that was supposedly the source. I have no idea if any of this is credible, but the report was not some tin foil hat YouTube channel and I don't think they would fabricate their sources.

[RedCyclamens]

I watched a documentary on the subject recently

[Embracelife]

theconversation.com/there-is-no-evidence-that-the-coronavirus-was-created-in-a-laboratory-135870

[Lockeddownandout]

It's a discussion, not backing a side

[pocketem]

@Polly02 why haven't you posted the newsnight clip yet like you said you would?

Newsnight is on iPlayer. Just tell us where in the programme you saw this alleged information

[Polly02]

I’m not offended by biscuits or reporting, although I hope admin allow the discussion to continue. It is very interesting. All sides of the argument are. Thank you everyone.

[Lockeddownandout]

Certainly no less naturally occurring than the mixing of wild animals in very close proximity to humans in a market situation

[KatySun]

The article you have linked to has some errors in the referencing Taciturn, if you follow the links and read the original papers. So for example it cites an article (2018) about research looking at infections from bat coronavirus in Wuhan and says the researchers found no evidence; but if you click on the article, the article actually says that six people tested positive for bat coronavirus, and it seems to be discussing a different geographical area from Wuhan, it is discussing a rural area close to bat caves. So of course it found no evidence in Wuhan because it was not looking in Wuhan.

[banjaxxed]

Someone infected in the lab is 'naturally occurring'

[Bearbehind]

Where is the theory?

In plenty of places - even our government have said it can’t be ruled out

Sticking your head in the sand just because you don’t want to believe it doesn't prevent it being a credible option

Until anyone proves differently, it’s more than possible as a source

[FOJN]

There's loads of information out there on this theory.

The PhD student who is identified as patient zero has been missing for months. An official statement has been released to say she is alive, well and working but no one can find her. Her details have been removed from the lab webpage with all the researchers pictures and bios on. There is speculation she died and has been cremated. Presumably if she was OK the CCP would just get her to make a statement and put this rumour to bed so why haven't they.

I've read several reports which say there were no bats or pangolins at the wet market as it was a fish market. Hard to know if this is true as it's illegal to trade pangolin but there is a large and increasing trade in it anyway.

I'm keeping an open mind but I do not think the suggestion it originated in the Whuhan lab is unreasonable as there is a fair bit of compelling evidence.

[PhilCornwall1]

This has been doing the rounds in the Daily Fail on and off since this lockdown malarkey started.

Wuhan Institute of Virology or something similar they said in the Mail.

[PicsInRed]

This is now a mainstream theory and discussion.

You all been keeping up with your current affairs?

[jasjas1973]

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking

'exactly!

An epidemic of SARS affected 26 countries and resulted in more than 8000 cases in 2003. Since then, a small number of cases have occurred as a result of laboratory accidents or possibly, through animal-to-human transmission (Guangdong, China)

www.who.int/ith/diseases/sars/en/

[Annamaria14]

Yes, I definitely think that there there was research on Coronaviruses in Wuhan, some one accidentally got infected and then passed it on

[Bubbletrouble43]

I think you're owed a few apologies op. Some people just love to jump in and try to be clever and bitchy. They've made themselves look a bit silly.

[redbushtea]

I believe it was released from a lab. Wuhan is full of pharmaceutical companies - just google it - and they are not regulated like here.

Why do people believe it came from a wet market? Wet markets have been around for thousands of years in China, and no known case of viruses from them.

[slipperywhensparticus]

In my mind it's possible because the chances of a virus mutating and crossing species fine ok I will accept that its happened before etc but mutating crossing species and allegedly mutating again almost immediately? That seems a bit much?