Thank heavens I don't live in the USA

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Protesting against the lockdown! What is wrong with them? Apparently they are finding it too hard!

Oh wait...the Barbarians are useful when they pay the bills. Is that it?

Good to know.

Here’s an idea pay your own damn bills. Fund your own programs...this “Barbarian” (I may change my username to this...I think it’s quite amusing) is tired of supporting all of these barely functional programs with my tax dollars.

Oh yes, let’s not forget that the US pays wayyyyyy more than the Aussies do to prop up the rest of the world.

Primitive, savage and backward"

This is a ridiculous way to describe an entire country, let alone one the size of the USA with its population count.

There are a huge range of views in the USA with people like Trump on one side and Saunders on the other. Both have substantial followings with even more Americans having more centrist beliefs.

The USA itself isn't responsible for the xenophobic views of citizens other countries who haven't bothered to educate themselves on the wide range of realities that actually exist in the USA.

I'm very relieved that MNHQ removed that offensive post.

Surely most people are staying home to protect themselves and other people, not because they are told to? I don't understand the attitude of the protesters at all, its all about rights and entitlements but surely most people have someone vulnerable in their family, and exposing themselves to the vuris will endanger them. Also while non covid deaths might increase, road deaths must be dramatically reduced during lockdown?

@saltinesandcoffeecups: I have relatives in New York and THAT'S why I care about America, I'm also half American myself and take it from me, I have no idea how old you are but the America I remember bears little or no resemblance to what I see now. As for the bible bashin' gun totin' religious bigoted southern states we see and hear about every goddamne day......well they can go you know where, yup, you guessed it, no time for them. Jesus, you'd think the confederate won the f***g civil war the way they carry on. But I care about the others, y'know, the ones with two brain cells to rub together.....that description emphatically does NOT include the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

the US is very different to the UK and so the calculations they make will be different

How dare anyone criticise 'Murica.

We are paying our own bills. AND funding some of America's (ie money towards space travel). What does that have to do with anything?

@midwesteaster I didn't call the entire country that. I said that it is the philosophy that underpins the fabric. Not that all Americans themselves are those things.

Exactly SpillTheTea. Must not speak facts now should we? Must not hold a rhetorical mirror up to their faces.

Well said, midwesteaster.

@tiredmedic

Old enough to have been taught basic reasoning skills along with history, geography, and economics. Also old enough to question what is going on around me.

I’m old enough to understand that images on the news are not always what they seem or even truthful. I’m old enough to spot fear mongers and Xenophobes from their ignorant comments.

And I’m old enough to know that stereotype usage is a sure sign of a week argument.

The USA doesn't have just one unified way of looking at the world.
Look at the support that Saunders got in the recent primaries.

I'm not American and I didn't actively choose to live here but the lack of nuance from some posters is ridiculous.

My Governor has had a more consistent, science led approach to C19 than either the UK or Oz government.
I'm fairly sure of this as I have family in both of these countries and we all regularly check in with other.

I think if I lived in the usa I would protesting too.
No welfare, no national health care.

Some many people get their health insurance from the employer so if you are made redundant there goes your health care.

I have the privilege of sitting in Ireland where we have flattened the curved, have great social welfare and good free health care

OP, nothing is wrong with them. They're in a different country, and have different strictures and pressures on their lives than we are used to in the UK.

I've lived in the US and seen first-hand what happens to people when they don't work. And what happens to their citizens in various echelons of society when disaster strikes. The situation in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina was nothing short of a national disgrace.

That's why they're protesting.

They don't have the same welfare we have. We are heading into a nasty recession and most of us aren't at all prepared.

I am really sick of idiots on Mumsnet talking about other people's lives from their privileged positions.

Yep, popped back in for a look-see and it’s devolved as I suspected it would.

We’ve got good old TealWater on yet another thread positing, “They really are a very primitive, savage and backward lot. Well, at least those loons protesting. I've seen more humanity in war-torn 3rd world and developing countries.”

Well then. I guess it’s time to git ma gun and go do some squirrel shootin’ seein’ as how I gots nuthin’ else better to do today, bein’ in ‘Murica and all. We all just primitive, savage and backward, y'all know that?

@tiredmedic

I am sick to the teeth of people making blanket comments about the southern states being bigoted. I am from Texas and I live in one of the nation's most ethnically diverse cities and counties in the US. Sure, people here, including my English husband, has a gun license (he was in the RAF) but I have not ever encountered personally any single person who fits your stereotype. We are made up of many different personalities and different political opinions, different religions but for the most part, we live and let live.

Has it occurred to you that those rabid protestors are also from states like Michigan, Maryland, Ohio and Nevada and honey, that's not southern. Even then, It's a small population of people.

Please stop your stereotyping and blanket generalizations.

I wish I did live there. Not full of ostriches.

I have lived in America and wouldn't want to ever live there again for obvious reasons (healthcare system lack of social welfare).

Sorry, but I stand by my post. I have met people as described, tried reasoning with them to no avail. I'm aware, well aware believe me that a few aren't fitting the profile, he'll I trained someone from Texas to do the job I'm doing (operating room tech) but sadly they're outnumbered by the rest. So sorry, but my comment stands.

@saltinesandcoffeecups my point is that people who have lost their jobs aren't going to be best pleased about it. Keep on trying to have an argument that I'm not having if that makes you feel better, though.

tried reasoning with them to no avail Agreed, tiredmedic and as we can see, it is the same thing on this thread.

Do you realise op that a lot of people in America don’t have a safety net?

The people protesting in the photos I’ve seen are very right wing from what I can see. Perhaps not all from what I’ve read on Twitter.

President Trump has delayed cheque payments to people because he wants his name printed on the cheques. Some people really are desperate.

We are only 3 days away from riots and unrest in our country at any one time. Do you also not appreciate this?

It really isn’t nice to crow about how much better it is here. It really isn’t that much better here. I would rather not be in the us or the uk right now tbh. The people are not responsible for trump’s bizarre decisions.

You see a few protests with not that many people and decide the whole country is going to hell in a hand basket. Do you understand how big America is? How many people we have living here? Someone fearing a holiday here because they will get shot and taken to a horrible hospital. We have some of the best hospitals in the world here. I've never had anything but first class health care. While you fear about US, I fear about YOU. have you looked at the Death Rates per 100,000 population? Outside of a handful of hot spots (NY makes up half our numbers) we are doing pretty good compared to a lot of countries in the world. Oh, and in case you missed it, anyone being treated for Covid 19 in America will be treated for Free.