Scared for the USA

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In case you've not seen the news mass gatherings in some states trying to get the governess to lift lock down . Not only are these people idiots they are armed idiots and it's only going to be so long before they start using them. I'm scare for the sane people there as it's looking to be like there will be a descent into lawlessness before much longer .

Please tell me I'm being a pessimist.

We don’t love a bully

We (as in popularity) absolutely loved
Thatcher she was known to bully and put people in their place and we loved it

The underdog yes we often cheer for them but running the country absolutely not.

It’s absolutely horrifying. Astounded by the support he gets and the lack of challenging.

Americans are great people, America is a great nation, I'm appalled and horrified that they should be fronted up by this..... thing that is Trump
Trump is the the sickness, I hope he can be purged so the American makes the recovery she deserves.

Oliver Twist...was starving due to the entrenched aristocratic system which persists to this day. hmm

Yep. Exactly like Victorian England. Nothing's changed at all.

Honestly, what utter bollocks. Look at the TV. Look how working class people make up the majority of the famous and the people other people aspire to be like now. The aristocracy exists but it is not respected without question. These days we are a meritocracy. People don't command respect simply by birthright and have not done since the second world war.

These days we are a meritocracy
Do you really believe that we live in a meritocracy?
Do you understand what meritocracy means?

Yes I do and yes I do.

It's telling that in any right wing protests in the US, confederate flags are always whipped out

Which is ironic as the civil war was in large parts about certain states NOT wanting more central government "telling them what to do", which is exactly what power trump (worngly belives he has over state government)

of course many people in the UK will hate President Trump - he is after all an Anglophile, and as many here hate their own country they will hate Trump by association

I think your 8 year old is far too mature to be US president and would show Trump up too much. Anyone got a 2-3 year old. They need to be at the stage where they throw tantrums when things don’t go as expected. Believe that shouting things 3 times makes them true and say they hate anyone who contradicts them. Their parents could go as special Whitehouse aids, to bribe with sweets and distract when tantrums get to obvious......

I would take Obama over Boris any day though

And too obvious.... grrrr

I don't hate President Trump, the man is clearly ill, severely dysfunctional and not able to properly grasp the situation he is in, if anything I pity him and I despair to see such a person as that heading up the USA

While you are right to be concerned about our U.K. figures, the figures in the US are horrifying for some States. It is averaging out the numbers across the country which is masking this at first glance.

www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

The statista figure is per hundred thousand and the worldometer per million.

New York State has a population of almost 20 million and New Jersey around 12
The Netherlands has 19 million and Greece and Belgium 11 million.

A better comparison is between the USA and Europe

With the New York state/eastern area being the Milan/Northern Italy of the USA. In that this is where the virus got a hold first

Europe's numbers are far higher than the USA but this is because Europe is ahead of the USA in the timescale.

Just as Italy was ahead of France and France just ahead of the UK

The eastern USA numbers are climbing steeply, as Europes (Italy, France, Spain, UK) were 2 weeks ago.

These protest in parts of the USA are crazy

I've just seen footage of one in Michigan, a woman complaining that she wants to buy the things she used to and needs get her hair done because her grey roots are showing

WTF is wrong with these idiots

@OutOntheTilez yes, Inslee!

There is no perspective in the reporting on the number of deaths. I suggest you do some research on the amount of deaths in the US due to RTAs, Cancer, Heart Attacks, COPD etc. How many people have died of the flu over this period of time in the last ten years?

I find it odd, very odd, that I am entreated to save the NHS. why am I not warned to save my own life? The lives of my family? No ill wishes against anyone in the front line, interesting turn of phrase there! But, as a carer, I wouldn't consider me on a par with any soldier on the front line!

So, how many small businesses will go down, how many will die because they didn't get their cancer treatments? Because other operations have been cancelled? Let's have those numbers! How many will suffer mental illness from isolation? Let's have those numbers? How many will lose their jobs? How many will lose their homes? All because of a new strain of 'flu? We have new strains of flu every year so what makes this so different? What?
It's heartbreaking to lose a loved one for any reason and obviously, death should be avoided but I find this situation raises too many questions. Far too many questions. I do observe all of the governments guidelines but I am appalled I cannot go to the park, or anywhere yet all this time we have unchecked (checks are ineffective anyway) on incoming flights! Seriously?

I'm with Trump on this. Isolate the ill, isolate the vulnerable. Do not isolate the healthy.

These days we are a meritocracy

The United Kingdom?
A meritocracy?
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"All because of a new strain of 'flu? We have new strains of flu every year so what makes this so different? What?"

This is not a "new strain of flu"
mobile.twitter.com/Farzad_MD/status/1251298698111471617

"I'm with Trump on this. Isolate the ill, isolate the vulnerable. Do not isolate the healthy."

Won't work because around half of the people who get infected do so from people who are not showing any symptoms (they are either asymptomatic or presymptomatic). Also needs mass scale testing and labour intensive contact tracing and only possible when case numbers are low, so far too late now in the US.

@Fosler
But It’s not just the flu, it’s much more contagious and the main concern is that hospitals would not be able to cope with thousands admissions at once - we don’t have the capacity. If this happened then people would not only die of Coronavirus but also be unable to access general emergency healthcare and the system could collapse. It’s not just the elderly and vulnerable getting seriously sick as well. How many times does the same thing have to be explained.

All because of a new strain of 'flu? We have new strains of flu every year so what makes this so different? What?

Double the death rate? The fact that you can't vaccinate against it?

"I'm with Trump on this. Isolate the ill, isolate the vulnerable. Do not isolate the healthy."

Yes, let's provide over 200 million tests to find out who is ill and who is healthy.

Also did you miss the part about 'contagious before any symptoms show'?

Not to mention the bit where Trump is a dangerous moron.

I'm amazed Trump hasn't contracted it yet tbh. Either it's just a matter of time or prophylactic hydroychloroquine actually does work.

Did anyone see the queue of ambulances in Russia , who are on shut down , 9 hours long waiting to take patients to hospital?

I have just lost two members of my family to this virus and even I can understand this is above politics . Above comparing countries with totally different demographics and to be honest above healthcare systems . Italy have a great healthcare system and PPE and they still have huge losses including front line staff .
All we can do is minimise risk and we must protect those most at risk .

This is brutal .

@ThePawtriarchy

I thought so. "Unhinged" was an apt description.

I used to live in Seattle; I loved it out there on the West Coast. Now I'm in NY state. I miss Seattle so much.

Good luck to you!

Why would America erupt into a civil war there is no need for the vast majority their lives are comfortable they live in one of the riches countries in the world. The deep rooted belief in the American dream as its is still hugely significant in American culture

The dream is almost completely eroded.

The vast majority of people in the US live a couple of paycheques away from complete financial disaster. People graduate university owing student loan debt they may never pay off. Developers in major cities are putting up shared occupancy apartment buildings instead of single owner condo buildings.

Millions of people have lost their jobs in the last two months.

Millions of people now have no health insurance, no way of paying rent after the end of this month, and for others there will be no way of paying the arrears on their mortgages once the mortgage holiday is over and the entire three or four months comes due. There are Blue Cross/Blue Shield ads on the tv saying you can still have health insurance even though you have lost your job - and they will tell you how many hundreds/thousands of dollars per month this will set you back when you call the toll free number.

Hundreds of thousands of people have such faith in the institutions of government that their first response to the corona virus in the US was to go out and buy guns.

In Charlottesville Virginia a young woman was murdered in cold blood by a right wing nutjob in 2017.

The president himself is encouraging fascists bearing Confederate flags to gather in mobs and press elected governors to unleash the virus on their states, for party political reasons, in states Trump needs to win in November or in states where governors tend to alternate between Democrat and GOP. The GOP under the leadership of Mitch McConnell has become Donald Trump's bitch.

The popular vote/Electoral College problem looms again in November, and also the possibility for the election to be decided by the Supreme Court, which happened the first time George W became president.

That’s really interesting @Mathanxiety thanks. How is trump encouraging it and which states most? Also a question on the health insurance, what do people do if they get CV with no insurance? Under any conditions is it free?