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Scared for the USA

103 replies

goose1964 · 17/04/2020 23:31

In case you've not seen the news mass gatherings in some states trying to get the governess to lift lock down . Not only are these people idiots they are armed idiots and it's only going to be so long before they start using them. I'm scare for the sane people there as it's looking to be like there will be a descent into lawlessness before much longer .

Please tell me I'm being a pessimist.

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LilacTree1 · 17/04/2020 23:33

Well, I can’t say I blame them.

The car protests are good. I never ever imagined I’d say such a thing!

Bunnyfuller · 17/04/2020 23:34

I’ve been scared for them ever since Trump was elected. Them and the rest of the world.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 17/04/2020 23:43

We were saying when the toilet roll mayhem was happening here that we were at least glad there weren't guns.

hernamewasrio · 17/04/2020 23:49

He's the reason we returned to the UK after 18 years in the USA...I worry about my friends there so much.

JaneJeffer · 17/04/2020 23:50

I just saw this on Twitter a few minutes ago Hmm

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Porcupineinwaiting · 17/04/2020 23:55

They will shortly find that guns don't protest against viruses then. Hmm

Porcupineinwaiting · 17/04/2020 23:56

That was meant to be protect but maybe it works either way.

mathanxiety · 18/04/2020 00:00

Just glad to have the option of returning to Ireland right now, and my DCs are very happy to have their Irish passports.

I'm in a very blue municipality in a blue state, wondering when the second American civil war will finally turn into a real, live, shooting affair instead of the slowly simmering thing it is now. Also wondering if it's possible there could be a coup, suspension of the Constitution, martial law, and the removal of Trump from office.

MoltonSilver · 18/04/2020 00:06

"In Trump's 'LIBERATE' tweets, extremists see a call to arms
Trump's tweets pushed many online extremist communities to speculate whether the president was advocating for armed conflict, an event they’ve termed “the boogaloo.""

ToffeeYoghurt · 18/04/2020 00:06

I'm more scared for us. America has a far lower death rate per million population than the UK. Lower than Spain, Italy, and France too. I hate to think how other countries are viewing us.

I do get a bit confused by the way it works in America. Some powers are federal and others, like decisions on lockdowns and (I think) procurement of PPE, etc, are down to the individual states.

EmpressMcSchnozzle · 18/04/2020 00:07

As soon as he defunded the WHO the writing was on the wall for a 2nd American Civil War. Not to do with the WHO defunding itself, per se, but what his decision represented and what would come next. He appeals to a particular US demographic. I have a few friends in America and they're all just as horrified at what's happening. Things are bad here, but not as bad as in the USA (I'm not sure all of our UK politicians and their advisers are malicious, though many are utterly incompetent, out of their depth, and couldn't, or more likely, wouldn't, see the writing on the wall if it was right in front of them, let alone plan for future events or organise a party in a brewery if someone else took the tops off the bottles for them).

HerRoyalNotness · 18/04/2020 00:18

I’m actually surprised there haven’t been more shootings at grocery stores etc tbh.

DeRigueurMortis · 18/04/2020 00:28

So I was sent this by DM who in turn was sent it from a friend who found it online.

It sums up my feelings far more articulately than I could.

Someone on Quora asked “Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?'

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

BelleHathor · 18/04/2020 00:32

Over dramatic much? The protesters are exercising their rights guaranteed in the American constitution. The governors are answerable to their electorate, and considering the projected deaths have gone from 2 million to 200 thousand to 61,000 in less than 20 days, I too would be questioning those in power.

Winecheesesleep · 18/04/2020 00:51

@DeRigueurMortis that sums my feelings towards him so perfectly. Especially this:

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss.

I will never understand how so many people can have been fooled by this conman with nothing behind the eyes. He couldn't be easier to read.

judemom · 18/04/2020 01:01

I'm American, and very scared.

judemom · 18/04/2020 01:13

He is causing civil unrest, telling some states that their liberty is at stake.

Meanwhile, he is telling people to stay home ? He is just creating chaos, and it's dangerous.

Gettingo · 18/04/2020 01:24

I will never understand how so many people can have been fooled by this conman

You should read fox news. They always spin current events in his favour and make him seem nice. Like, today there was a headline about how Trump saluted a truck driver, and the truck driver was thrilled.

tumpymummy · 18/04/2020 01:35

@derigeurmortis that's a great article. Sums him up perfectly. Twat!

Flaxmeadow · 18/04/2020 01:37

America has a far lower death rate per million population than the UK. Lower than Spain, Italy, and France too

Yes it does have a much lower number of rates, but America is behind Europe so in a couple of weeks will probably be in the same position as us. It would be dangerous for thier lockdown to be lifted at the moment

The protesters are exercising their rights guaranteed in the American constitution

Outdated rights, applied to forming militias in the late 18th century

B1rdbra1n · 18/04/2020 01:57

I agree that Trump is malicious, but he also seems to be increasingly ....deluded?

peppermintcapsules · 18/04/2020 02:18

Personally I'm more scared for us. Loads of deaths and believe me, they won't table Brexit. I think we need to worry about what's going on here first and foremost.

LilacTree1 · 18/04/2020 02:22

What Belle said.

mathanxiety · 18/04/2020 02:27

'America' isn't an item. The governor of each state can shut down and open up his or her state.

I agree with judemom.
Donald Trump is fomenting civil unrest.

BelleHathor, the virus has yet to take its toll in the areas least served by hospitals, clinics, or even doctors. That is to say, the rural South.

ThePawtriarchy · 18/04/2020 02:28

I’m not sure which state you’re in @mathanxiety but I’m in a similar place and when you look at our governor’s statement today it’s clear he thinks Trump is unwell. While I think that’s been clever for some time, actually hearing it officially from a governor who is trying to preempt unrest in a state where you would not expect it, is terrifying.