Scared for the USA

[goose1964]

In case you've not seen the news mass gatherings in some states trying to get the governess to lift lock down . Not only are these people idiots they are armed idiots and it's only going to be so long before they start using them. I'm scare for the sane people there as it's looking to be like there will be a descent into lawlessness before much longer .

Please tell me I'm being a pessimist.

USA is actually not looking remotely good on cases per million population either so no idea why trump bots are still trying to throw that one around

Trump looks out of his depth now. This pandemic has shown his true colours. He’s incompetent, unintelligent and so un-presidential. He should have remained a businessman- he was obviously suited to that role.
The childish comments he makes make me cringe (as I’m sure they do to two thirds of Americans). It scares me to think he’s in charge of an entire nation! Shudder.
I know we criticise our government and Boris (I’m no Boris supporter) but my god I’d take our lot any day. They may have flailed in the face of Covid 19 but at least they’re not acting like a defensive, narky, uneducated 8 Year old. Shudder.

@fedupfrida
I completely agree.

Something that I can never get my head around is; what happens if someone in the USA is taken ill with coronavirus and needs hospitalisation but doesn’t have healthcare insurance? Do they get treated or not? This issue never seems to be adequately explained by anyone (in the media or by US commentators), or maybe I don’t understand!

Despite any failings by our government (I’m no Tory supporter) I would rather take my chances in the U.K. with our amazing NHS.

Apparently they do, I heard an interview on R4 on that subject. How aggressively they are treated, o don’t know.

That’s good to know Daffodil.

I wonder how they pay for it (or how it is funded)?

Certain groups in the US fetishize the constitution/ freedom of speech/liberty etc to a ridiculous degree. Not to mention the appalling state of education and lack of critical thinking. Trump embodies exactly that way of thinking. The US is doomed.

It is probably mean of me, but I take some confort in the fact that these idiots will have to pay out of their own pocket for their stupidity (no NHS)....

and yes, very scary

It is probably mean of me, but I take some confort in the fact that these idiots will have to pay out of their own pocket for their stupidity (no NHS)....

and yes, very scary

I wonder if the health care insurers will amend policies to exclude those mixing with others en mass?

Because why would they pay out when the risk is a known risk?

The population in London is far higher than New Yoek @Breckenridged. Where are you getting your misinformation from?

I know we criticise our government and Boris (I’m no Boris supporter) but my god I’d take our lot any day. They may have flailed in the face of Covid 19 but at least they’re not acting like a defensive, narky, uneducated 8 Year old. Shudder.

My 8 year old is far more mature and clear headed than Trump. I'd rather have him in charge of the USA than Trump, and I think he'd make more rational decisions (though the USA may have to put up with some laws related to reducing school hours and increased screen time if he was in charge! Perhaps a small pay off!!)

My DS does want to move to the USA (and he'd quite like to be president!!) so if your reading this Trump, and fancy handing over the reigns, my DS is available!

I really really don't understand how the American people could let that slimeball be president.

DH and I (in the uk) have taken to watching his daily political campaigning Coronavirus briefings out of some sort of horrified fascination.

DeRigeurMortis's post sums him up beautifully.

TKAA London is a much bigger city.Population wise it isn’t hugely bigger and it’s spread out much more hence more deaths in NYC.

@Breckenridged stated the population of NY is twice that of London. The geographical size also does not answer why NY has much higher numbers of CV deaths than London.

TKAA This site www.macrotrends.net/cities/23083/new-york-city/population

However it doesn’t tally with other sites so I retract the double population. However, looking at various different sources of info, London population is listed at being between 7.5-9m and NYC is estimated at 8.5m. So similar population but NYC much more densely populated as others have said.

The population thing is only part of the equation though. Demographics, early presence of super spreaders...

As of 2013, London and NYC had comparable populations. London's stood at 8.3 million, while NYC stood at 8.4 million. London, however, has much more room for its inhabitants — it's 138 square miles bigger than NYC. So it's pretty safe to say that New York is way more crowded than London.

According to The Independent, there are a whopping eight million trees in London, and almost half of the city (47%) is taken up by green space. The city's eight royal parks are a good place to start if you're hoping to enjoy some quality outdoor time in London.

New York City, on the other hand, has only 14% green space. The city has over 1,700 parks, playgrounds, and recreational facilities. Some of the most popular parks include Central Park, Brooklyn Bridge Park, Hudson River Park, Flushing Meadows-Corona Park, and the High Line.

The more crowded a city is the more likely it is that infection will spread.

Easy to see why there are more NYC deaths

My family in the states are adjusting and feeling anxious as we are here as families are in Italy, Germany, Spain, France, China, and so on

There will always be behaviour that goes against the majority. And there will always be those that catastrophize it wasn’t long ago some on here were predicting riots after Brexit and mass looting over toilet roll

America is a huge country the vast majority of people do not hold extreme views but politics and culture are different but humans rarely are we want to protect our families and loved ones and care for them the country is to stable people are too well fed and comfortable to erupt into a civil war

Trump will soon find something else to fixate on - he is an agitator he likes to stoke the fire but he loses interest very quickly (thankfully)

I suspect there will be a rupture of the Union
I think Trump is deliberately trying to bring this about because he sees it as the only way of saving himself from prison
He is sending out these inflammatory tweets with the glee a six-year-old arsonist laughing at the pretty flames

He loses interest very quickly
I don't think he's going to lose interest in protecting himself at any and all costs

No he doesn’t in himself

But he fixation on his day/week/hour agenda does - he likes to be at war with some person or political group or country, organization - but this changes constantly

Why would America erupt into a civil war there is no need for the vast majority their lives are comfortable they live in one of the riches countries in the world. The deep rooted belief in the American dream as its is still hugely significant in American culture

I think we are likely to see him win a second term (not something I would like) but at times of crises it’s often better the devil you know

Trump doesn't have the intellect to be a devil

Who ever thought he would become president five years ago four years ago a few were starting to wonder

But for many the idea was laughable

Will those floating voters go for an unknown at a time like this

That is what is will probably boil down to and in times of great difficulty voters don’t often take risks

Trump's absolutely mad, but the smug superiority of the British over American counterparts is vomit inducing.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

I don't think we've living in the same country.
Lords, Duke of Westminster, Eton, The Queen? Oliver Twist...was starving due to the entrenched aristocratic system which persists to this day.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

Nothing worse than NEW MONEY, eh? Underdog is fine as long as they stick to their allotted "place", heroically cold, hungry and desperate. Ahh, there, that's the Britain I know and love.

P.S. Donald Trump is half British - his mother was born and raised in Scotland. 🤷‍♀️