Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

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What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

I am not a fan of rushed-through vaccines, there needs to be proper testing. There's no way I would have such a vaccine, and I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

Dying from coronavirus is real too and so is long-term lung damage. A vaccine can be quite risky before it's more risky than this illness. It's a trade-off and you'd need to understand a lot of complex statistical models to make the right call so I'm leaving it to the people who do know how to do that analysis properly.

Though there probably wont be a safe-enough (not safe in capital letters - just safe enough) vaccine for a good few months yet. Next Spring if we're lucky, that's what most credible sources say. Though I'd be delighted if it's sooner.

I'm very wary of a rushed through vaccine.

Let us all know if you have a better alternative.

I think the op has a very valid point. Ok, the Bill Gates and the heavy control we have been frightened into are a bit ott but questioning a vaccine that has been rushed (and any C-19 vaccine will be rushed) is sensible.

We saw similar with the swine flu vaccine. It was rushed. One side effect was narcolepsy in young people. A neighbour of mine decided to vaccinate the whole family because of the hysteria about swine flu at the time. There were no underlying conditions that would have put any of them at particular risk from the swine flu. They were all healthy. One of the kids now has narcolepsy.

With vaccines, particularly new ones, it is only sensible to examine the risks vs the benefits. If you have an underlying condition, they yes, take the vaccine as the risks of damage from the virus are higher than the risks from the vaccine. Otherwise be a bit more cautious.

With established vaccines, I would also consider the necessity of vaccinating for herd immunity as the risks are well established and long term impacts identified. With a brand new vaccine, I would be less inclined to vaccinate in order to contribute to herd immunity.

Re the poster upthread who disparagingly stated the op probably believed Wakefield - it was an article published in The Lancet, one of the top medical journals in the world. Ok, the numbers in the study were small but an article suggesting a connection between MMR and autism published in a top journal would make anyone pause for thought. My eldest was born around the time the article was published. I held off on the vaccine and then got them individually rather than as a 3-in-1. Bear in mind, the article was not retracted by the Lancet until 2010, although articles unable to reproduce his results were published in the early to mid 2000's. It's very easy to mock people who gave some credence to an article publish in a top medical journal over 20 years after the fact and with the benefit of the numerous articles disputing his work that have been published in the interim.

Maybe everyone who doesn't want the vaccine can continue in lockdown,
where their anti-vax paranoia is less likely to hurt anyone

..... while the rest of us get on with jobs, school, socialising

Some companies might require a vaccination - or medical exemption - certificate before even interviewing people for a job ? 🤔

With 10% unemployment, that might help concentrate minds

Yes. When the analysis is done of the origins of this virus, its causes and its trajectory from regional problem to global pandemic? No doubt the sinister role of Bill Gates, he has donated millions to malaria prevention, will be pivotal. Not.

LOL. Have you got a venn diagram for the 5G, anti vax, bill gates, chinese- government-taking-over-the-world conspiracy theories? I bet it's practically a circle.

I couldn't agree with OP more. We are obligated to question any medical intervention that could possibly do us harm (or good for that matter). I don't blindly take any medicine or treatment until I know exactly what it is, what the side effects are and that it's properly tested. There is no way I would have this vaccine until it was proven and well tested.

I too am worried about Bill Gates' motives, and I don't think people who question some of the things he is doing should be sent to join the tin foil hat gang. We all have a responsibility to keep informed of the facts about what is going on in the world and the effect that the billionaires that run it have on what goes on.

I should add that all my children are vaccinated.

@Scautish

My demographic has a very low chance of death from CV so unless the vaccine was properly tested like any other vaccine, I would take my chances.

But it wouldn't just be your chances, would it? It would be the chances of the NHS staff who had to care for you if you developed complications which didn't kill you but still required medical care. It would be the chances of any vulnerable person you came in contact with while asymptomatic. It would be the chances of any NHS staff having to treat that vulnerable person. It would be the chances of any cancer patient/car accident victim/stroke patient who was denied treatment because NHS staff had been drafted into corona treatment or were off sick themselves.

If there was a 50-50 chance of dying from the virus or dying from the vaccine, I'd find the odds overwhelmingly in favour of the vaccine.

Yes, give me a vaccination so I can leave lockdown

The unvaccinated can stay in lockdown - but without benefits, because it's their choice -
to protect the minority who for medical reasons cannot be vaccinated

Those who refuse to vaccinate for measles rely on the herd immunity from others who are more socially responsible.
For COVID - no more free-loading

Guys this isn’t like the MMR which we know is safe. It’s very sensible to be wary of a rushed vaccine.

I know a couple of very senior NHS staff who refuse the flu jab.

I’ve worked with a woman who was subscribed a shit version of The Pill in the 70s and subsequently had a stroke at 50.

Phalidomide anyone?

Jesus it’s sensible to question!

"I too am worried about Bill Gates' motives,"

That evil bastard who has given away billions to help with diseases in developing countries

How dare he help Western coutnries too

Are you an anti vaxxer??

It is a worry that people go into things blinded and then get upset about the consequences. I agree, UK is often slower to take on vaccines than USA as there's a lot more safety hoops.
There's been lots of injuries along the way, not just with vaccinations but thalidomide for example is a something we should all learn from.
I think informed decision making is the better way forward.

It is not your time anti-vaxxer. Although if you all decide to not take the vaccine then there will be far fewer anti-vaxxers in the world so actually fill your boots!

@OchonAgusOchonO

The lancet retracted the Wakefield paper - it’s is completely discredited. Wakefield has been struck off as a doctor.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/fulltext

The paper is complete and utter nonsense and you are being extremely irresponsible to suggest it has even the tiniest bit of integrity or truth.

Yet you seem to have more faith in him, than someone who is giving billions to many charities. Strange world.

Whilst I want this vaccine so our lives can return to normal as soon as possible, there is nothing wrong with the OP wondering if it will be safe if it’s rushed out.

On the flip side, what choice do we have but to rush it out?

You don’t need to ridicule the OP though for wondering this. It doesn’t make you a conspiracy theorist if you question things.

we will be stuck in isolation indefinitely so it seems until there is something we can use against the virus BECAUSE if dh or I get it … multiple countries are trying to find & TEST vaccines so they will be safe to use - ALL vaccines are tested & there are also records that are sent to central bodies if any possible side effect can be checked to see if there is any apparent side effects its an ongoing process. Even drugs that have been used for other purposes are checked (since thalidomide _spelling-) at the moment Trump thatwell knownexpert/idiot-- wants medics to use random untested drugs without knowing how they might be used/react without peer review which is the opposite of how they will use this vaccine. I am seriously beginning to think I am living in a sci fi film with all these so called expert villains saying things like "nuke it" .
By the by my dd has asd but she was too old to have the triple - & isf you want to start that argument
bring it on & be prepared for pages of explaining the so-called increase etc etc etc

OP I have ALL the vaccines

Even I agree with you. A rushed vaccine in the current climate of hysteria? Fuck knows what they’ll do wrong with that.

Lego “ On the flip side, what choice do we have but to rush it out? ”

People who wish to shield can do so. Unless you want to force the vaccine on everyone.

Has there been a date given for release of this rushed through vaccine ? I haven't seen anything on the news about a release yet ? I think you might be being a little premature OP ?

Dangercat - its thalidomide, this possibly indicates the level of research you have done on this.
Drug safety is my job, very large regulatory hoops have to be jumped through for any treatment/vaccine let alone one that will potentially go into billions of people. There are thousands of people involved in vaccine research, they would be absolutely horrified to think that the people they are working to protect think that they are being controlled by Bill Gates or anyone else....

" know a couple of very senior NHS staff who refuse the flu jab."

I know a nurse who still believes Wakefield was right

Nice woman otherwise, but doesn't trust the "establishment"

• and calls me a "sheepie" for not believing the same

( calls called, because I cba and we're VLC)

"I’ve worked with a woman who was subscribed a shit version of The Pill in the 70s and subsequently had a stroke at 50."

I knew a middle-aged woman who died after a sudden brain haemorrhage believed to be caused by ordinary aspirin doseage

I think MN have made the wrong call on this one - the OP states as a fact (which is not true according to actual scientists, WHO, NHS etc etc) that vaccination harm is real in the opening paragraph. What if someone read that far and not the comments? The resulting debate might be ok overall but damage done if someone doesn't read further.

Fab I've not had my biscuits out for aaaaaaaaages.