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Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

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FTMF30 · 15/04/2020 09:39

What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 15/04/2020 18:06

Understanding that almost no medical interventions can be 100% risk free does not reinforce the idea that any new vaccine will be 'rushed' through. And experimental.

So, if vaccines normally take 20 + years to be developed how will one developed in 18 months not be "rushed"?

sleepingpup · 15/04/2020 18:07

Or maybe they'll produce a vaccine which works with low risk factors in other respects!

sleepingpup · 15/04/2020 18:10

So, if vaccines normally take 20 + years to be developed how will one developed in 18 months not be "rushed"?

Because of information sharing, new techniques, new technologies. Positive global motivation to make things happen.

sleepingpup · 15/04/2020 18:11

Hooves are you a scientist, or working on virus research or epidemiology?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 15/04/2020 18:13

But you can only go so far with new technologies. Ultimately, they have to be tested on people and different groups of people for a sufficient length of time to understand what side effects there might be. I don't see how you can short cut that? How can you observe side effects, or efficacy, over two, three or four years (or longer) without studying it for that length of time?

sleepingpup · 15/04/2020 18:13

Also do you know the difference between 'fast tracked' and 'rushed'?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 15/04/2020 18:16

Hooves are you a scientist, or working on virus research or epidemiology?

No, I have a nursing background but I've seen new and innovative drugs and procedures coming on line and I've seen what the process has involved. I just can't see how you can assess medium term effects without studying it for a decent amount of time.

Maybe some of you are happy for yourselves and your children to have these vaccines, in the early stages.

Boredbumhead · 15/04/2020 18:18

I have no love of Gates in particular, I loathed him utterly when I worked in the IT industry

@Allergictoironing why did you hate him when you were in the IT industry? Genuinely interested.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 15/04/2020 18:22

Just watching the news now and they are discussing the ventilators designed by Dyson and another company - neither have been approved for use in the NHS. The antibody tests that Matt. Hancock announced they were ordering in their millions - failed tests and still aren't available. That's what happens when you try to "fast track" things.

cybercontroller · 15/04/2020 18:28

He was thrown out if India when some of his previous vaccine campaigns caused serious damage to the health of women in India.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-india-sued/

No he wasn't.

sleepingpup · 15/04/2020 18:29

What's happening with ventilators and tests are as much a political and bad planning problem as anything.

And doesn't mean that a vaccine if/when it's produced will not have been properly tested.

Apart from anything there is all the funding available right now - which isn't always in place and slows things down.

I get the feeling you have a very negative take on things hooves, which is your prerogative. But I see things in a much positive way.

Boredbumhead · 15/04/2020 18:34

@cybercontroller

Your own 'fact checked' (by who exactly?) article says:
"The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) suspended PATH’s HPV clinical trial in India over irregularities such as improperly obtained consent forms, and the Union Government issued a warning letter to PATH “asking it to be careful while conducting clinical trials so as to ensure that discrepancies and violations are not repeated in future.”

That's enough of a sniff of bad practice for me to question the ethics of one of BIll Gates vaccine related companies to me. I never said anything about suing anywhere..

Summersunandoranges · 15/04/2020 18:40

Errol you should say all that to the pregnant mothers who were given thalidomide - or there kids...

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/04/2020 18:41

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Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 15/04/2020 18:44

Apart from anything there is all the funding available right now - which isn't always in place and slows things down.

Can you explain how having funding can provide data on effects of the vaccine after two years?

I'm not going to keep arguing with you. I'm keeping an open mind. I don't believe that a vaccine will be available within the next two years and if one is available neither I nor any of my family will be having it. Time will tell

Summersunandoranges · 15/04/2020 18:44

Thalidomide was not a vaccine

It doesn’t matter. It was given by health care professionals, people we expect to trust with our health. If that isn’t a warning for people to wait for real long term trials then I don’t know what is..

BeijingBikini · 15/04/2020 18:47

@LastTrainEast as a statistician....no need for personal attacks.

Boredbumhead · 15/04/2020 18:49

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras I think you are talking sense. What worries me in the cornovirus act is the loss of civil liberties hinted at. I am really worried about it being a compulsory vaccine of the government buys into it.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 15/04/2020 18:51

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Boredbumhead · 15/04/2020 18:53

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/contents/enacted/data.htm

I can't find the right bit now, but there is something about forced medicine if needed.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 15/04/2020 18:54

What? If you're concerned about safety volunteer to be in the trial?

I don't think so.

Boredbumhead · 15/04/2020 18:56

Yep it does. This is about a vaccine. There are many drugs that cause awful side effects in people. Sometimes death. For example allergies to penicillin

So if an orally taken medicine such as thalidomide can do that amount of damage, imagine what a dodgy vaccine can do when injected directlyinto the bloodstream, bypassing all if the body's normal defenses.

sleepingpup · 15/04/2020 18:56

Agree hooves, open mind is best.

t was given by health care professionals, people we expect to trust with our health. If that isn’t a warning for people to wait for real long term trials then I don’t know what is..

My OH is on a long term medical trial for melanoma and is now having immunotherapy. Luckily we do trust the medical health care professionals and all these treatments are very new. If we thought like you he'd probably be dead.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 15/04/2020 19:03

Yes but that would have been through rigorous safety testing. What's being tested now is likely to be efficacy. So, they'll be pretty sure it's safe, just not sure it will work.

A new vaccine they will have little idea of effects, especially if they choose to use DNA in the vaccine, which I believe has never been done but has been considered for this.

I think the one being rushed through is RNA based which has been done before but still, they don't know what the effects will be.

sleepingpup · 15/04/2020 19:04

So if an orally taken medicine such as thalidomide can do that amount of damage, imagine what a dodgy vaccine can do when injected directlyinto the bloodstream, bypassing all if the body's normal defenses.

So irrelevant.

And imagine the benefits that amazing treatments like immunotherapy provide. This goes directly into the blood stream. Also irrelevant.

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