Why is everyone so eager to get vaccinated?

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What I mean by this is that a SAFE vaccine for coronavirus wouldn't be available for at least a couple of years. Vaccines need to be thoroughly tested and, although a lot of Mumsnetters don't like to believe it, vaccine injury IS REAL.

It's very sinister how very interested Bill Gates has become in the pharma industry in the last few years and how he advocates forced vaccines, or at least loss of freedom of movement/access for those who choose not to vaccinate (which is pretty much a forced vaccine). He doesn't care about vaccine injury as we are basically collateral damage to his end goal.

Is it not fair to be wary of a rushed vaccine? Is it not fair to not want to be vaccinated if I'm not fully ware of the implications just yet? When I come on here, I see a lot of people who are very happy that we have to stay inside (I understand the reason for this), I see people who are quarantining food and washing eggs and would take a vaccine if one was available tomorrow. I find it quite alarming how we've been fed stories about death after death after death, really biased stuff with hardly any balanced information. We've been frightened into being heavily controlled and that's the thing that really scares me.

Any vaccine, should it come, will be for the elderly, vulnerable and healthcare workers - the vast majority won't be offered it, just as with Flu vaccines, if you want one, you'll have to pay.

I disagree. It would start with health are workers and vulnerable others, but I think it would then be rolled out to everyone. Because Covid is a lot more deadly than flu.

If it turns out that immunity is not long lasting, it will be offered at whatever interval is necessary to prevent people catching it.

Why is everyone so keen to get vaccinated?

....Are you really asking this???????? ....we are keen to get a vaccine as until we do, life will not get back to normal and many more thousands of deaths will follow.

What's deemed acceptable safety parameters for CV19 may well be different from other vaccines. Because the costs in terms of deaths and serious health problems - both directly and 'collateral damage' - of not having a vaccine ASAP are so enormous.

The problem there is though that if the case fatality rate is relatively low, as it might turn out to be, it would be unconscionable to administer a vaccine with possibly a high risk of serious complications or even deaths.

People won't agree on here OP, but you are not wrong. Bill gates has some messianic faith in himself as some technology saviour but switching from computers to medical health is a very big jump. His predictive contaignon modelling is a very worst case scenario and he is rubbing his hands right now at the thought of vaccination of the whole planet of 7 billion. He was thrown out if India when some of his previous vaccine campaigns caused serious damage to the health of women in India. The rush to get this out there means safety and efficacy testing will be cut to the bone.

i'd say switching from googling stuff on the internet to actually knowing what happens is a very big jump.

Never mind Bill Gates.

The problem there is though that if the case fatality rate is relatively low, as it might turn out to be, it would be unconscionable to administer a vaccine with possibly a high risk of serious complications or even deaths.

Er, yes. The scientists developing the vaccines, and the organisations in which they operate, do know that. It's really quite bizarre that people talk as if the scientific organisations, who are very familiar with all the regulatory and ethical considerations, are going to be hung ho about this. And of course, by the time they're anywhere near putting a vaccine to use, there will be a much better idea of what the case fatality rate actually is, judgements will be made accordingly.

They're not stupid.

i'd say switching from googling stuff on the internet to actually knowing what happens is a very big jump.

Less of a 'jump' than a long, painstaking slog learning and understanding.

The rush to get this out there means safety and efficacy testing will be cut to the bone.

Exactly.

The problem there is though that if the case fatality rate is relatively low, as it might turn out to be, it would be unconscionable to administer a vaccine with possibly a high risk of serious complications or even deaths.

This is so vague as to mean almost nothing. It would always be unconscionable to release a vaccine with possibly a high risk of serious complications or deaths.

LastTrainEast sorry, I meant to say his wealth has gone up $4 billion in the last week, not million.

Hardly a small increase in his wealth, is it?!

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Here you go. Much better to build up our immunity with vitamin C, sunshine, vitamin D etc, than rely on experimental vaccine.

"Experimental" vaccine.
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The rush to get this out there means safety and efficacy testing will be cut to the bone.

Says who?

Surely it's going to be risk benefit analyis for every individual.

It's clearly going to be better for my parents over 70 with co-morbid conditions to have one as covid is more likely to kill them.

It's different set of risk benefits for some of my children who likely won't be adversely affected by covid but could suffer adverse reaction to vaccine for the rest of their lives.

Obvioulsy MMR and autism links are utter rubbish but vaccines can cause damage - there a Vaccine Damage Payment scheme run by our governement for unlucky and very rare number people who can prove they were damaged.

Would I get one - I don't know probably as I have asthma but I'd want a lot more information so I can make an informed decision.

Says who?
The man himself (Gates).

well lots of posters on here have 'information' or there's facebook or You tube.

Bored Bumhead knows lots.

I'd say switching from googling stuff on the internet to actually knowing what happens is a very big jump.

Hmm, bit more knowledge than googling on 'da interweb. But its a good place to start if you want to educate yourself about the medical industrial complex. Try it

If you would like something a little more official, try this: www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

Given that (in rare case) vaccine damage can happen, and governments have compensation schemes- on what planet would they license a vaccine which is at all likely to do more harm than good?

Interesting how Bill Gates wealth has gone up +$4million in the last week though.

Which has bugger all to do with anything the Foundation is doing, it's purely to do with his personal investments increasing along with the rest of the Dow Jones Index. Have a look at the people above Gates in the list of biggest gainers in the last week - none of them have anything to do with pharmaceutical research. You're looking at people in the fashion industry, Amazon, luxury goods, oil & gas... Gates is 9th in that list.

as said above, I have no love of Gates in particular, I loathed him utterly when I worked in the IT industry. But how the Foundation is set up, and what they are doing, won't have any impact on his personal wealth.

No it's fine.

Aware of that already thanks.

Understanding that almost no medical interventions can be 100% risk free does not reinforce the idea that any new vaccine will be 'rushed' through. And experimental.

too right Errol

on what planet would they license a vaccine which is at all likely to do more harm than good?

On a planet that faces economic collapse? I don't think any government would sanction using a vaccine likely to do more harm than good. Either the harm will only come to light after the vaccines have been given ( see dengue fever vaccine) or it will take much longer for the vaccine to be rolled out.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras spot on.