Why are deaths in care homes and at home still not being reported in England?

[alloutoffucks]

Scotland now report how many people have died in care homes and at home with covid 19. I know there is a delay in being able to report this because of death certificates. But in England we are still not getting these figures.
I suspect a lot of people have died in care homes and at home. Some have been reported in the press like the young twenty year old near where I live found dead at home. But this figure includes anyone terminally ill, frail and with more serious underlying conditions. These people are largely not being admitted to hospital. So they die at home with carers or in a care home. Given these are mainly very vulnerable people. I suspect the mortality rate is high and the number of people who have died is high.
Why are we still not being told how many people?

That's not the cumulative deaths, that's the CV deaths for that week only.

Makeitgoaway, you can see it on the link that was posted:

The provisional number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 3 April 2020 (Week 14) was 16,387; this represents an increase of 5,246 deaths registered compared with the previous week (Week 13) and 6,082 more than the five-year average.

From www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending3april2020

@Makeitgoaway I was just reading about that, non-Corvid deaths have shot up in the last month. They haven’t looked at the data properly yet though, could be failure to attend care ?

Care home residents are not being tested. Don’t listen to everything you read or hear. They’re only being tested if they’re admitted to hospital just like the rest of the country.

The photo shows the stats up to 3rd April.

Oops here's the photo

The hospital deaths were 2343 for that week. However, that includes Scotland and NI too, whereas the ONS only covers England and Wales.

It is not clear at all. And when do they get added to the total figures so we are clear?
France started like this, then had a huge backlog and the numbers increased enormously. They now publish both and it is very clear.

@MichaelBoobins my relative was not admitted to hospital but they were tested.

My husband is a funeral director and as far as I understand it any death in the community that has been either suspected covid or sudden (i.e the person wasn't ill or expected to die) is being tested to ensure safety of people handling the body. Currently he is dealing with covid cases, some of which are from care homes but 'normal' deaths also seem to be increased - he is incredibly busy at the moment which is unusual for this time of year. Im not sure what the reasons behind that are

@MichaelBoobins Hospitals are not accepting care home admissions in nearly all cases if corona virus is suspected. So they are never tested.

Interesting to hear that Ireland like Scotland does say in their daily briefing the amount who have died in care homes and in hospitals. Yes I know this happens once a week in the daily briefings when this information is published, but it is far more transparent.

@Humphriescushion Interesting to hear FRance are very clear about this too,
So it is a lie that only the UK tries to hide the other deaths by saying go and look at ONS, which not many people will

I have a friend who is a coroner, poor woman. She tells that me community deaths are through the roof - with C19 tangentially if not directly responsible by which I assume she means ie suicides, neglect of other diseases.

ONS website states

The year-to-date analysis shows that, of deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) up to Week 14, 90.2% (3,716 deaths) occurred in hospital, with the remainder occurring in hospices (33 deaths), care homes (217 deaths) and private homes (136 deaths).

People may not go to the ONS, but it's on the TV, on the BBC website, in the Times, Daily Mail, the Sun, Guardian etc etc
It's hardly a secret!

France only added the care home and community numbers very very recently, within the last week I think. I think we’ll do the same in time.

Sabrina I work in a care home and we've had more than our "usual" rate of residents dying .. no testing. Some of our residents are going to hospital for falls injuries , and then returning after their operations , without us having any knowledge if they have been tested prior to leaving there. There are 500 cases at our local hospital. It's scary.

Scotland is only releasing non hospital stats once a week too on a Wednesday. They arent doing them daily as there is a time lag due to when deaths are registered

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending3april2020

www.nrscotland.gov.uk/covid19stats

@alloutoffucks they werent added from the start but have been since about 2 nd april. They added on then a huge amount. They were not doing this from the start ( dont know why) then i saw the papers started to talk about it and then they went on. At least they are now and have been for nearly two weeks.

Also this is how it started with murmurings about outbreaks in around 3000 care homes. Then we got the no.s - horrifying.

@dementedpixie That seems incredibly low for care homes.

Research from Europe suggests that between 42% and 57% of deaths are occurring in care homes.

ltccovid.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Mortality-associated-with-COVID-12-April-2.pdf

This suggests a huge under-reporting of care home deaths here.

That was only up to 3rd April though so there will be many more now