Denmark mandatory Covid19 vaccine

[scamander]

Put aside vaxxer/antivaxxer hats for a little please. Does this bother anyone? Do people not have a choice? Are we losing our freedom before our very eyes?

'As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus'

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law/amp

I'm pro vaccinne and this is wrong. Studies actually show it doesnt work anwhay and when forced, people are even less likely to have it (not sure how they get round it but they do).

What if we have a bad vaccinne? Corruption?

ExpressoX10 once you're in the Schengen area the borders are open, so I'm not sure why you have no idea but I can't help you there.
I have literally driven all over Europe in a van and the only actual nominal border crossing was into Andorra.

And I have no idea what this has to do with vaccinations, anyway.

Quantas is Australia's national carrier. As I've said, I'm not massively surprised at the antipodeans going down that road but I'd be surprised if Europe did so.

I'm pro vaccinne and this is wrong. Studies actually show it doesnt work anwhay and when forced, people are even less likely to have it (not sure how they get round it but they do).
What if we have a bad vaccinne? Corruption?

Agree with this:

• Studies do show forcing people makes them less inclined to vaccinate (I guess unless you go for the model of stopping school attendance without being vaxxed although perhaps people will just home school now in this new world)
• also yes could have a bad vaccine such as the hpv one - my doctor (very traditional and mainstream) refused to actively recommend it
• corporate corruption - there have been lawsuits against the big drug companies and there is a mega race to get this vaccine out with big prize money at stake
• state corruption/being leant on by lobby groups/powerful companies - I do recall us all being told we had to invade Iraq because of a dossier on weapons of mass destruction and we all know what happened there

This is gut-wrenching to read and it's so very wrong. Vaccination should never be mandatory. Psychologically it would be a terrible thing to enforce on a population (even if thought to be for the overall good of public health). Things are getting totally out of hand. What is happening to our societies?

The PM has already stated there won't be compulsory vaccination in the UK.

@knittingaddict

It has been tested, so your argument is spurious

It hasn't been tested long enough (i.e. 3/5 years) to be able to establish long term side effects.

On top of that, these are new vaccines (e.g. mRNA) with technology never used in humans before

You cannot make any assumptions based on existing vaccines (e.g. that long term side effects would be very rare)

@EspressoX10

People who TRULY can't be vaccinated because they're immunosuppressed, have health conditions, are usually the first to tell you how important it is that those WHO CAN vaccinate do so, in order to protect those who TRULY CAN'T.

But the rights of the ones who are sadly immunosuppressed or who truly cannot vaccinate should not trump the right of people who can vaccinate but are at risk of suffering serious adverse effects from an insufficiently tested vaccine (I mean long term testing)

One subset of the population is not more deserving than the other

Generally I am very pro vaccination but can't ever agree with mandatory vaccinations. Strongly suspect that won't happen here, but possibly can see only allowed entry into certain places with proof of vaccination or exemption.

I will probably get it done when offered so won't really affect me really.

For me no medical decisions should be mandatory- informed consent is the way forward and I would worry that mandatory vaccinations opens the door into other medical procedures becoming mandatory

It isn’t going to be compulsory here, and anyway there will be far more people wanting a vaccine than there are vaccine doses to give them for a while yet.

We have had mandatory vaccination in the UK in the past (long past, 19th century) and it didn’t involve Matt Hancock wrestling people to the ground and forcibly injecting them, it just involved fines. (And children getting smallpox, sadly.)

@B1rdbra1n

It takes a very long time to develop and trial a safe vaccine, I'm sure they started developing a vaccine for SARS ....whatever happened to that 🤔

The research was stopped because they managed to contain the outbreak. However from what I understand the work that was done served as a basis to help develop the vaccines against Covid.

My understanding is that the Covid vaccine suppliers have obtained indemnities against claims resulting from adverse vaccine effects, as (understandably) they don’t want to carry the can for long term side effects. If huge commercial companies can’t take this risk, ie the risk of unexpected long and medium term side effects, I’m not prepared to let my children take that risk either.

More than that- I think it would be unethical for me to give a vaccine to my children where (a) the long term effects are as yet unknown and (b) given their ages they are more likely to be struck by lightening than made seriously ill by coronavirus.

I speak as someone who has, in the past, eagerly accepted every vaccine offered to my children. As well as the usual childhood vaccines, I’ve gladly had my kids vaccinated against TB, pneumococcus, and different meningitis strains. I’ve treated vaccinations as a miracle of modern medicine. I won’t be subjecting them to the COVID vaccines though. They’re not expendable guinea pigs.

Mandatory vaccine is going too far and scare mongering like this is getting infuriating. It'll only give more fuel to anti vaxxers and unnecessarily worry people.

That said, I do think those who have no medical reason to not have it you should suffer restrictions. If you aren't going to make it safe to mix then venues, hospitality industry etc should be allowed to refuse access to you.

@LaValliere

If huge commercial companies can’t take this risk, ie the risk of unexpected long and medium term side effects, I’m not prepared to let my children take that risk either.

^^This

@LaValliere

My understanding is that the Covid vaccine suppliers have obtained indemnities against claims resulting from adverse vaccine effects, as (understandably) they don’t want to carry the can for long term side effects. If huge commercial companies can’t take this risk, ie the risk of unexpected long and medium term side effects, I’m not prepared to let my children take that risk either.

More than that- I think it would be unethical for me to give a vaccine to my children where (a) the long term effects are as yet unknown and (b) given their ages they are more likely to be struck by lightening than made seriously ill by coronavirus.

I speak as someone who has, in the past, eagerly accepted every vaccine offered to my children. As well as the usual childhood vaccines, I’ve gladly had my kids vaccinated against TB, pneumococcus, and different meningitis strains. I’ve treated vaccinations as a miracle of modern medicine. I won’t be subjecting them to the COVID vaccines though. They’re not expendable guinea pigs.

Your children won't be offered the vaccine. It's 18 and over only. Possibly might be an option in the future, but right now it's only adults who'd be able to get it.

@Stellaris22

I do think those who have no medical reason to not have it you should suffer restrictions.

Why should they suffer restrictions for not wanted to endanger their health?

I mean wanting

Not having the vaccine is also endangering your health though, it's just anti vaxxers convince themselves they are either immune or will never get it and suffer life long effects of post covid.

I do think those who have no medical reason to not have it you should suffer restrictions.

Also, who would be signing off/not signing off these ubiquitous medical reasons

Would GPs/Consultants not be exposed to litigation if they determined that you are apt to have a new Covid vaccine that is not long term tested and someone previously fit and healthy ends up seriously damaged ?

I’m pro vaccines but not mandatory your body your choice! It’s also not to protect one group of people. People from all age groups can be badly effected by covid it’s not all about death. Some mild cases have raised damage later on.

Children won’t be having it anyway as not deemed a risk. All Over 18s eventually if people want it .

I work in the NHS ( patient facing) I’ll be having it. I was hesitant but I’ve been reassured by people more in the know of how these things work: scientists, researchers, medics etc. I could get long covid and be sick for ages, I could get a mild case but find damage to my lungs or heart months later. Also my mental health has had enough of being in restrictions and being scared/ worried every day I go to work and wearing masks everywhere, and not being able to see people. Not because of ‘rules’ but because I care for my family to not catch this horrid illness from me. Enough is enough for me.

I am old enough to remember when the first polio vaccine became widely available.

I had polio (thankfully not severely) when a small child, before the vaccine was available. I had many friends and acquaintances who also had polio, some much more severely and who were in iron lungs and who remained disabled.

I vividly remember the queues and clamour of mothers to obtain the vaccine for their children and the HUGE numbers in the vaccination centres, desperate for protection against this scourge.

Maybe because of this I struggle to understand those who jib at every vaccine.

I know the Covid vaccines are a special case for a number of reasons, but I feel very lucky to be able to benefit from this technology. Why wouldn't you?

@TheNighthawk

I see what you're saying and those times must have been terrifying.

But for some reason I think scientists of that era who developed vaccines such as the polio one were working altruistically and really wanted to relieve people from so much suffering.

I do not get that same impression from some of the companies that are developing 'new technology' vaccines today.

Now everything seems to be about being first to the market in a huge money making race.

‘Testing, treatment and quarantine’ doesn’t include the vaccine. Sorry I only skim read but vaccines are classified as prevention medically. They don’t come under treatment, treatment would only be if you actually have the virus

The immunity from prosecution is because of our licensing laws. Due to the government requesting the companies allow the vaccine to go out with only an emergency product licence they need to protect them from prosecution, if they were prepared to wait it wouldn’t be an issue. There’s no conspiracy there really, if you did have a reaction you’d have the ability to sue the government for damages rather than the HCP who gave it to you, or the manufacturer.
Vaccines should always be a choice and I think it has be stated categorically that this vaccine will be a choice. With choice comes responsibility, that includes considering other people around you. The situation is pretty dire at the moment for so many people, I think I would have to have some tangible evidence of harm to refuse the vaccine.I also don’t expect others to have it so that they can protect me.
Some of the vaccines, like the Oxford one are pretty standard vaccines really

@Jumbogirl

That doesn't sound very optional IceCream - if you take everyone's freedoms away unless they vaccinate you're making it kind of compulsory.

it's a bit like the statement on another of these threads where a poster (sorry I forget the nsame) said, "Your freedom is just one safe vaccination away." Absolutely chilling in my opinion.

Totally agree with you, I find it really disturbing that this could be forced on the population and so many on here supporting it and suggesting you should not be able to leave your house unless you do is beyond my comprehension.

There are many laws to protect us.
You can't drive a car without a seatbelt.
You must wear a helmet riding a motorbike

You must get a covid vaccine.