Denmark mandatory Covid19 vaccine

[scamander]

Put aside vaxxer/antivaxxer hats for a little please. Does this bother anyone? Do people not have a choice? Are we losing our freedom before our very eyes?

'As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus'

www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark-passes-far-reaching-emergency-coronavirus-law/amp

The SARS vaccination research led very strongly into the covid vaccine research. It gave researchers a good head start.

What country was that Prok? I don't think the UK should be emulating the most repressive regimes. Yesterday I lunch with a friend who grew up in Poland - her perspective was v interesting. She has vaccinated her children but reserves her right not to vaccinate as she decides. She decided not to give her DD the HPV vaccine. You will see the Japanese govt no longer recommends the HPV vaccine because of feedback from worried mothers after the vaccination event.

You clearly don't understand a real phobia @Keepdistance.

I have a needle phobia and, while I've been saying I'll have the vaccine it'll be a different matter when it's available. DH will have to take me as it won't be safe for me to drive and, if he can't go in with me I won't be having it. I was supposed to go for a blood test a few months ago, I started crying when the doctor suggested it and when she told me DH couldn't go in with me I refused to go. I need dental treatment but I have no idea if I'll have it done because of the injections.

I'm marginally better with injections than blood tests for some reason but I completely understand where @squeekums is coming from.

Jumbogirl I do not think Germany has a regime.

East or west Germany Prok? I would call the former Eastern bloc a regime actually - presuming you are talking about years ago?
For those who are interested why the Japanese government no longer recommends the hpv vaccine - here is some research - ijme.in/articles/lessons-learnt-in-japan-from-adverse-reactions-to-the-hpv-vaccine-a-medical-ethics-perspective/?galley=html

The vaccine should be optional - but it would be fair that, until proper herd immunity is reached, those refusing vaccination be denied access to public places. There are consequences to actions

I agree. I think it should be compulsory for travel abroad, concerts, theatres, cinemas, large events including weddings etc.

That doesn't sound very optional IceCream - if you take everyone's freedoms away unless they vaccinate you're making it kind of compulsory.

it's a bit like the statement on another of these threads where a poster (sorry I forget the nsame) said, "Your freedom is just one safe vaccination away." Absolutely chilling in my opinion.

Just to be clear - the post about "Your freedom is just one safe vaccination away," was someone actually trying to convince MNetters of the merits of mandatory vaxxing!!!!!!!

I think it had the opposite effect mostly!

@Jumbogirl

That doesn't sound very optional IceCream - if you take everyone's freedoms away unless they vaccinate you're making it kind of compulsory.

it's a bit like the statement on another of these threads where a poster (sorry I forget the nsame) said, "Your freedom is just one safe vaccination away." Absolutely chilling in my opinion.

No, you aren’t making it compulsory. You are offering people the choice to have it or to forego some freedoms which can be offered to those protected from the disease (or who can’t, for medical reasons, be protected). If not enough get the vaccine we’ll all be stuck in lockdown for ever.

Jumbo WEST!!

@midgebabe

You should only ever have freedoms to the extent that your actions don't harm others , and we have already seen antivaxers refusing measles jabs, which then puts at risk people who had had the vaccination ( because it's not 100% effective)

And also because babies can only have the mmr at a certain age and before that they are vulnerable to the disease

@squeekums I feel for you, I know how horrible phobias are. Is there anything you can be doing to keep trying to tackle it? It isn't safe to proceed as you are. Not thinking of the vaccine, just of any medical need that could arise.

"Wanting rights without any responsibility is not freedom, it's adolescence"

@scamander

There's no one size fits all with regards to vaccines, there can be severe side effects if not tested well etc etc... with such laws however, gives no room for dissent.

Is that not a concern?

It has been tested, so your argument is spurious

Also I'm sick of reading posts from people whose only contribution is that they can't be vaccinated for whatever reason.

People who TRULY can't be vaccinated because they're immunosuppressed, have health conditions, are usually the first to tell you how important it is that those WHO CAN vaccinate do so, in order to protect those who TRULY CAN'T.

Small children who had organ transplants for example.

@EspressoX10

Also I'm sick of reading posts from people whose only contribution is that they can't be vaccinated for whatever reason.

People who TRULY can't be vaccinated because they're immunosuppressed, have health conditions, are usually the first to tell you how important it is that those WHO CAN vaccinate do so, in order to protect those who TRULY CAN'T.

Small children who had organ transplants for example.

Yes, I'm sure there will be allowances made for those who can't receive this vaccination, just as there are for other vaccines. They won't force people, who are likely to react badly, to have it.

Also I'm sick of reading posts from people whose only contribution is that they can't be vaccinated for whatever reason.

That's a shame for you. How do you distinguish them from the TRULY unable then?
I can't risk having a vaccination but I find the thought of anyone else being forced to have a medication that do not consent to injected into their bodies.

Exactly, knittingaddict.

The stupid, pointless hand wringing just detracts from a useful discussion.

In many continental European countries you can't register your child in a public school without up to date vaccinations.

That OBVIOUSLY doesn't mean they force people who aren't able to be vaccinated to do so, against medical advice. FFS!

MaxNormal if one wishes to opt out of a vaccine, one lives with the consequences.

Namely, you probably won't be able to travel to many western countries who will demand proof of vaccination.

As I said before "Demanding rights without responsibility isn't freedom, is adolescence".

Denmark's parliament on Thursday night unanimously passed an emergency coronavirus law which gives health authorities powers to force testing, treatment and quarantine with the backing of the police
The far-reaching new law will remain in force until March 2021, when it will expire under a sunset clause

Where does it say they will enforce vaccination? there prob wont even be a mass vacination program by march 2021

what they are implementing seems ok to me.

Oh really, you know this for certain, you have a list of these countries?

Australia/New Zealand I can imagine as they've shut their borders and gone for a suppression approach, but covid is rife all over Europe, Africa and the Americas and certainly in most European countries there's no plans to make the covd vaccine mandatory so insisting on a vaccination certificate would not make all that much sense.

You're just spouting about what you want to happen, really.

"It has been tested, so your argument is spurious"

Sorry knittingaddicct I can't agree.

There is always risk - with any medication and with any vaccine.

The hpv vaccine was also tested but the Japanese government no longer recommends it - here is some research on why - ijme.in/articles/lessons-learnt-in-japan-from-adverse-reactions-to-the-hpv-vaccine-a-medical-ethics-perspective/?galley=html

Informed consent is the way forward IMO.

Germany has mandatory measles vaccination.

We should too, IMO

MaxNormal.Qantas airline already announced they won't allow unvaccinated travellers.

I have no idea why you think European borders are "open", free of scrutiny.

They're certainly not to you, from January 2021 (assuming you're a British citizen).

First we need to ask whether it will be mandatory for those working directly in a health care setting and with vulnerable people, for example, in a care home. Moreover, if it is mandatory there what are the consequences of refusal (without medical exemption and contraindication for vaccination) - would those people lose their jobs? Then we need to look at other sectors of public facing roles e.g. bus drivers, teachers etc and ask the same question. I think if we expect all those people to have the vaccination, then the rest of us should have to have it too, otherwise I simply do not think it is fair. Or at the very least, those of us who choose not to have it but benefit from others having to have it, should be restricted in our leisure activities.