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Police tell family they’re not allowed in front garden

369 replies

LilacTree1 · 09/04/2020 22:15

Bloody ridiculous

Video and story here

twitter.com/syptweet/status/1248294700827709440

OP posts:
LetTheCabbagesDie · 10/04/2020 17:21

Interesting that a police officers ignorance of the law is excused, but if Joe public is ignorant? Oh no, no, no Hmm

LoveIsLovely · 10/04/2020 17:26

@mrsradley Completely irrelevant, the guy was standing in his garden, not loitering in a big group, intimidating people.

Just because someone comes from a rough area, even if they themselves sometimes act in an antisocial manner (which we have no idea if this man was doing/does), does not give the police the right to follow them around and tell them what to do.

This would be a very different conversation if the video was of a couple in the Cotswolds standing in their pony field.

LetTheCabbagesDie · 10/04/2020 17:32

Anyone who is defending this police officer needs to give their heads a wobble.

We've given up some significant rights recently, the least we can expect from the police is to only police what is required of them, not start making up laws.

Oh and notice that she was within 2m of the person holding the camera and he asked her to step back.

JudyCoolibar · 10/04/2020 17:37

I'd suggest that area of Eastwood will be being patrolled for a reason

If so, the officer should have being patrolling and dealing with whatever the reason for the patrol was, not faffing around arguing about people standing in their front gardens.

mrsradley · 10/04/2020 17:43

Police are human , and fallible. In what line of work has no person ever made a mistake? I'm not defending ignorance , but I'm sure it will have been dealt with and even chief constables have been spouting rubbish. It's a very difficult front line role again mostly with a delay /lack off ppe. She wasn't been malicious or rude , just ill informed . What happened to #be kind ? Needed now more than ever I'd say .

LoveIsLovely · 10/04/2020 17:53

@mrsradley What the arse has be kind got to do with anything? I never signed up for the be kind shit so it is irrelevant to bring up.

She made a mistake and she was pulled up on it.

Be kind does not mean we should just ignore every mistake people make, what a terrifying world that would be.

She acted like a twat and she is being pulled up on it. If I was in charge, she'd be getting a firm slap on the wrist.

chomalungma · 10/04/2020 18:03

What happened to #be kind

Be kind is great.

The law still needs to be followed and if the police don't follow it, then it should be addressed.

mrsradley · 10/04/2020 18:34

I agree - But I'm also mindful of the fact that being rude , or aggressive makes people switch off , there is a lot of aggression on these threads towards police .
There a thousands of police officers doing as good a job as they can day in day out . One snapshot of an edited phone video does not reflect the majority of the policing in this country. The force in question has responded. I aren't sure what more people would like ? The legislation is very new, and if even chief constables are being over zealous is their interpretation of it then mistakes happen. I know that many frontline staff and officers are falling ill. I'm genuinely worried yet still turning out as are colleagues. People are being given jail time for spitting at officers saying they have the virus . It's a hard job , and it's the most difficult I've ever known it right now - so cut people a bit of slack - the police do do that every day .

And not once have I said I condone misrepresentation of the legislation but it's very very easy to sit at home in the comfort and safety of that and become experts.

I'm the force I work the legislation was sent via email with no training because there simply hasn't been time .

LoveIsLovely · 10/04/2020 18:39

@mrsradley so we should be nice to the poor police officers so that they'll listen to us?

Really, what are you on about?

Some police officers do a good job, some don't. It's undoubtedly a hard job, that doesn't mean this twat had the right to bother this guy on his own property.

She made a mistake and people are pointing that out. They're not going to her house and bothering her or calling for her execution. They're discussing an incident on a forum. That is democracy. We are, as far as I'm aware, still allowed to do that.

VegetableMunge · 10/04/2020 19:24

That #bekind hashtag has a great deal to answer for. 90% of the times I've seen it used, the person has just said something idiotic.

TabbyMumz · 10/04/2020 19:38

I've seen videos of the police overstepping the mark a few times recently. They stopped a van to ask the driver where he was going and he replied "work". She didnt leave it there...she went on to ask who he worked for. Now that is none of her business. He is allowed to go to work, if he cant work from home. At the point where he said "work", that was her job done.

chomalungma · 10/04/2020 19:42

'm the force I work the legislation was sent via email with no training because there simply hasn't been time

The leglisation is available online

The main thing is here

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/6/made

6.—(1) During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.

(2) For the purposes of paragraph (1), a reasonable excuse includes the need—

(a)to obtain basic necessities, including food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including any pets or animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons and supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household, or the household of a vulnerable person, or to obtain money, including from any business listed in Part 3 of Schedule 2;

(b)to take exercise either alone or with other members of their household;

(c)to seek medical assistance, including to access any of the services referred to in paragraph 37 or 38 of Schedule 2;

(d)to provide care or assistance, including relevant personal care within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006(1), to a vulnerable person, or to provide emergency assistance;

(e)to donate blood;

(f)to travel for the purposes of work or to provide voluntary or charitable services, where it is not reasonably possible for that person to work, or to provide those services, from the place where they are living;

(g)to attend a funeral of—

(i)a member of the person’s household,

(ii)a close family member, or

(iii)if no-one within sub-paragraphs (i) or (ii) are attending, a friend;

(h)to fulfil a legal obligation, including attending court or satisfying bail conditions, or to participate in legal proceedings;

(i)to access critical public services, including—

(i)childcare or educational facilities (where these are still available to a child in relation to whom that person is the parent, or has parental responsibility for, or care of the child);

(ii)social services;

(iii)services provided by the Department of Work and Pensions;

(iv)services provided to victims (such as victims of crime);

(j)in relation to children who do not live in the same household as their parents, or one of their parents, to continue existing arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and children, and for the purposes of this paragraph, “parent” includes a person who is not a parent of the child, but who has parental responsibility for, or who has care of, the child;

(k)in the case of a minister of religion or worship leader, to go to their place of worship;

(l)to move house where reasonably necessary;

(m)to avoid injury or illness or to escape a risk of harm.

(3) For the purposes of paragraph (1), the place where a person is living includes the premises where they live together with any garden yard, passage, stair, garage, outhouse or other appurtenance of such premises.

I think the bottom bit is important.

The legislation is very new, and if even chief constables are being over zealous is their interpretation of it then mistakes happen

TBH - it's been nearly 3 weeks now. I would have thought this bit should be known.

rjebgf · 10/04/2020 19:42

If the police were on the streets in that area, then I imagine the street has quite high footfall. The garden goes straight onto the pavement so I can imagine that if there are a lot of people walking past, you wouldn't really want to be in the part of the garden right by the pavement.

VegetableMunge · 10/04/2020 19:45

That would be the decision of the resident, as legally they'd have every right to be there and the police have no powers to tell them to move. People are allowed in their front gardens if they want to, full stop.

chomalungma · 10/04/2020 19:48

you wouldn't really want to be in the part of the garden right by the pavement

Maybe not - but the leglisation is clear.

I have respect for the police - but I also know that some police like to overstep their powers and assume people don't know their rights.

It's important to know your rights in a democracy when it comes to dealing with the police.

TabbyMumz · 10/04/2020 19:49

I watched the whole video, not a single soul walked near that garden.

LilacTree1 · 10/04/2020 19:52

Re work questions

Police went further on the Tube

www.itv.com/news/london/2020-03-25/police-tell-commuters-we-don-t-want-to-see-you-tomorrow/

OP posts:
TabbyMumz · 10/04/2020 19:54

The police are coming out of this with a very bad reputation.

canigooutyet · 10/04/2020 20:10

It's got nothing to do with the new legislation. Police officers, just like various other services like NHS and education are constantly being subjected to changes. Just normally we don't hear about them.

The bosses will have read it out in briefings, they will have been sent official links so they have their own copies. It's all there for them both in paper and digital format.

All the power-hungry people are just interpreting them in their own way. Just in the same way people think they can tell other people was is and isn't essential.

We are allowed out of our homes. Despite being in lockdown we still need exposure to VitD. When this is decreased, it's really not nice, I cannot produce it naturally and at times the condition is fucking painful. Although not as good as sun, the food variations would come under none essentials for some. That is, of course, if there's any in stock, to begin with. Grin

chomalungma · 10/04/2020 20:13

he police are coming out of this with a very bad reputation

They really are.

Remember the election. 20,000 extra police officers....

Xenia · 10/04/2020 20:16

As posted with the legislation abouve and as I have kept posting every policeman or woman can print out those regs and they will see eg you can travel to work - does not matter what work it is. You can travel at work. You can take the tube or bus to work. You can go out for exercise (it does not say any limitations on that exercise - it can be any exercise. You can go out any number of times to exercise if you read those regs as far as I remember. I would take police about 1 minute to download and print the regs.

chomalungma · 10/04/2020 20:21

As posted with the legislation abouve and as I have kept posting every policeman or woman can print out those regs

It's nice to agree with @xenia about something Grin

chomalungma · 10/04/2020 20:23

Interestingly - the Government (the Civil Service) already had this leglisation saved - for just in case it was needed.

Saves drafting it from scratch.

Makes you think what other leglisation they have saved just in case it is needed.

Taddda · 10/04/2020 20:53

Makes you think what other leglisation they have saved just in case it is needed.

Scary thought that....

LetTheCabbagesDie · 10/04/2020 22:42

Interestingly - the Government (the Civil Service) already had this leglisation saved - for just in case it was needed.

Drafted when? At the point other countries locked down?

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