Woman arguing with Police

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has anyone seen this

Dont really know what to say its all very calm but shes defiant and is given several chances to move

Shes posted it herself but i dont think shes got the response she was looking for

She’s ridiculous. The regulations.is being applied super lightly - he gave her numerous opportunities to get up and go home, go shopping or explain some circumstance why she couldn’t go home.

I’d wouldn’t be arguing with her. The new regulations say Stay at Home. Couldn’t be clearer and “staying to watch the sunset” is a breech.

If you look at her other videos n her channel, she also believes the Earth is flat... (may have been mentioned on one of the 7 pages, have not read everything).

I could only watch a bit of it as i found it so cringey how she was speaking to the PO

It seems in their haste to rush bad laws through parliament (and let that sound as a warning in future) the government managed to miss creating the arrestable offence of "not following the guidelines" (whatever they are). Meaning for a person on foot, the police have no powers of arrest.

Of course that might be a tad hypothetical if an officer is reaching for his CS spray/Taser/handcuffs however I hope lawyers are clearing their schedules for when this is finished.

I gave up after 2 minutes.

She should be ashamed.

You really have to wonder about someone who wants to sit on a bench for 2.5 hours in the first place.

Even the BBC are starting to look into the situation - must be serious !!!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52106843

she's a flat-earther too!

The holocaust comment isn't appropriate. The guidance applies to all.

Professor i still dont think any of that aplies to the woman in quesiton she was given several chances to move on-she was asked if theres any other reason she could give to be sitting down for that long

she defeated her own point in the end as she refused to give details she had to leave when they arrested her

they didnt just turn up arrest her and drag her off

Baked well she may actually have MH issues rather than just being a dick, her being so articulate tricks yo uinto thinking she's absolutely fine mentally, but of course that may not be hte case at all. Going by recent posts about her other youtube videos, see her in a differnet light now.

Sorry for the officer though as indeed they aer not too sure how to behave in these novel situations. I think the rules need to mention the time limit for exercise, as it's def not meant to be over an hour in one place.

she defeated her own point in the end as she refused to give details she had to leave when they arrested her

The police don't get to bootstrap a non existent law.

As things stand, there is no law that gives the police the power to stop a pedestrian and demand anything of them. That's because the emergency legislation was either badly drafted, or never intended to be used. From that point, all bets are off. Obviously, like all bullies, the police have the physical power to move on and.or arrest. But that will just be thrown out - with liability for compensation - when it hits a court.

If the police had deployed s.75 of the anti-terror legislation in the area, then they do have the power to question pedestrians. But even that would be subject to a courts decision and might be thrown out in court.

The end does not - and never will - justify the means.

I'm not sure that's correct, ProfessorSlocombe. The regulations provide, for instance:

(3) Where a relevant person considers that a person is outside the place where they are living in contravention of regulation 6(1), the relevant person may—

(a) direct that person to return to the place where they are living, or

(b) remove that person to the place where they are living.

(4) A relevant person exercising the power in paragraph (3)(b) to remove a person to the place where they are living, may use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of the power.

Her behaviour is selfish and inconsiderate

As one would expect from a flat-earther conspiracy theorist

Selfish people like her are why those of us with a genuine need of oudoor exercise could have our exercise rights removed and thus suffer ill health

However much those cops are getting paid it isn't enough

She has uploaded a new video to her channel, showing that her encounter with the cops has been featured on the vile UK Column youtube channel as kind of low rent version of RT run by the notorious conspiracy theorist Brian Gerrish

This is the video she has uploaded

My arrest video featured on UKColumn.org Support the UK Column, truth, freedom and Common Law!

the intro to the video claims "UKColumn.org, speading truth not mind viruses!" which is a giant stinky lie. UK Column spreads mind viruses all the time.

Here's another bonkers UK Column video, this time featuring Gerrish himself in conversation with the notorious anti-abortion campaigner Wilfred Wong

Ex Royal Navy Officer, a respected Christian, Brian Gerrish - Satanic Ritual Abuse

Wong is a crony of the disgusting quack Valerie Sinason and promotes conspiracy theories that abortions in the UK are a cover for the satanic murder of infants.

What this nasty woman's latest upload demonstrates very clearly is that certain hostile actors are using our freedoms and the politness and patience of our police officers to try to portray the UK as a police state.

The posters who have commented on the whole freemen of the land / sovereign citizen movement links are correct.

Gerrish also promotes this stuff via his UK Column channel.

Having endured watching many hours of his drivel, for research purposes, it seems that he is promoting the idea that the UK is a police state, our citizens hate children and our politicians are involved in satanic VIP paedophile rings.

It is unspurprising that UK Column has a video promoting this selfish narcissist as some kind of warrior for freedom.

Gerrish et al use vulnerable adults and narcisistic, selfish conspiracy theorists to promote their propaganda.

She's a satanic ritual abuse conspiracy theorist too

Unsurprisingly
Hasbro Ouija board in toys and games section of Amazon - satanic tools being marketed to children

Posted in haste, the above video shows that she is a paranoid person who perceives satanic infuences in a kid's board game

However she is extremely likely to be a SRA conspiracist as she has been a fan of UK Column for some time, as can be seen from the comment under this video

Cheeky FE Kerry
2 years ago
You and UK Column spreading truth all over this country! Where do you think this is all going to lead? This particular podcast about Darwinism. There are those amongst us who are not descended from monkeys, we are descended from nephalim, fallen angels. Those of us with the Rh neg blood type.

The Rh neg blood type conspiracy theories she mentions are something I have encountered before on far right CT video channels

That's hilarious, a flat earther wanting to watch the sun set.

Her video has been uploaded by another batshit conspiracy channel

video here

uploads here
www.youtube.com/user/marginoser/videos

Just one look at this channel should provide an insight into the kinds of people promoting this woman as a feedom fighter and their agenda

and lol @KenDodd good point

(3) Where a relevant person considers that a person is outside the place where they are living in contravention of regulation 6(1), the relevant person may— [] (a) direct that person to return to the place where they are living, or [] (b) remove that person to the place where they are living. [] (4) A relevant person exercising the power in paragraph (3)(b) to remove a person to the place where they are living, may use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of the power.

Read it carefully (like the court will). Nowhere does it give the police the power to demand identification or to arrest for failing to provide it.

The Court of Appeal didn't invoke s142 of the magistrates act ("This never happened ...") because it was bored and fancied a laugh. They did it because they understood there's a massive hole in the law as interpreted.

The police are empowered to request a person identify themselves should they have reasonable suspicion that person has committed an arrestable offence. However nothing in the emergency legislation creates an arrestable offence.

Real barristers have been picking over this legislation (after all, they've stuff all else to do) and to call it shonky would be giving it too much credit. We haven't even got to the bits where they use completely different words for the same thing in the same section yet. That's yet another minefield for the future.

@KenDodd good point! Maybe she's monitoring it to see if the government forgets to switch it off now Boris is in hospital.

ProfessorSlocombe, my post was directed at your statement that "the police have the physical power to move on" but no legal power to do so. The regulations give the power to remove the person to where they live using reasonable force if necessary.

@ProfessorSlocombe

Surely, to any sane or reasonable person, we live in unprecedented times when the police hope to persuade people to comply with the rules?

It is obvious to anyone that sitting at a bench for over an hour smoking and drinking alcohol in the surrent situation is not reasonable and jeopardises everyone's rights and freedoms, surely

If they don't comply with the rules then draconian legislation that effects everyone's freedoms are likely to be drawn up

Given that I would prefer that we do not suffer the impact of such legislation is it not better for the cops to do their best to get people to comply with social distancing rules without the need for new laws?

You could argue that the police exist solely to enforce the law. This has not been the case for some time in my experience. The police are overwhelmed with a multitude of tasks that would be more suitably be performed by social workers and mental health professionals. It has been like this for some years.

I do not think it is fair on the pilice to expect them to extend their mandate in one direction but not in another

If you want the police to do law enforcement and no other tasks then you have to look at resourcing for social care, mental health and, ideally, legislative change in a number of areas including drug policy.

Such changes would free up the police to deal with crime, which I think would be a good idea

That policeman deserves a medal for courtesy and patience. She deserves jail for being an irritating, self-obsessed prick at any time, but particularly at the moment.