Woman arguing with Police

[GabsAlot]

has anyone seen this

Dont really know what to say its all very calm but shes defiant and is given several chances to move

Shes posted it herself but i dont think shes got the response she was looking for

@BakedCam

The officer asked her if everything was okay at home. He specifically asked if there was any welfare issues and she said no.

She did, Random. I'm not saying she was right. I'm pointing out, overall, that there is a defence and a worrying trend in strange times, of a general public that is worried to further embrace prosecutions without understanding the ramifications.

@GabsAlot
If she didn’t have a home to go to / was fleeing DV ( which the police asked her about) , would she waste time filming the situation or arguing the toss about laws she has a minimal grasp of ?

She's a disgrace. All that resource in a global crisis. The problem is she is very stupid but because she has an articulate voice seems to think that people on the Internet will agree with this idiotic behaviour.

Another conspiracy theorist nut taking up emergency service's precious time. Gross.

So sorry last post intended for @ BakedCam.

If you are being asked to move along in normal circumstances you are being asked to move along for a reason.

I lived through the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad days. Kettled at protests and stop and search. I've also worked a lot with homeless people. There isn't always a good reason.

Don't worry, @Samtsirch I thought it was.

Perhaps not. I'm not saying she was. She was belligerent towards the police. Likely that is an indication of her personality.

The worrying element of the situation is that she wasnt doing anything wrong. She had been sitting there for 45 minutes, the officer confirmed this. She was stretching the law, without a doubt.

Had she been crying and distressed and still filming, would we be so ready to condemn her?

she was asked if there was any reason she didn't want to leave was given a chance but refused stating she would leave when the sun set and not before

so let's all go and sit down for 'hours for no reason if there is nothing wrong with it

The worrying element of the situation is that she wasnt doing anything wrong.

Debatable whether she was doing anything wrong or not - you can’t say that she wasn’t as it’s an untested area of law.

The law doesn’t specifically allow you to sit on public benches for extended periods of time, nor does it allow you to leave your house to specifically drink alcohol in public. Remember the advice is to stay home by default. She tried to justify doing the above for an hour as “mental exercise”, then later said she intends to buy basic supplies after the sun sets, so will stay on the bench for at least another hour.

Is “mental exercise” included under exercise exemptions? Or if you intend to buy essential supplies, is it also essential to sit in a park drinking alcohol for 2 hours beforehand?

I would like to see the Magistrate that would agree the woman wasn’t doing anything wrong.

While I don’t work in the lower courts, any of the Judges I’ve worked with would almost certainly interpret this behaviour as a breach of the Act.

What a stupid cow.

It's oddly circular. If you're compliant, you get rights but don't exercise them. If you're belligerent and try to exercise your rights, they are removed. Either way, no rights.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be different rules in a crisis. But let's not sleepwalk into giving the state and the state's enforcement the right to decide if I am under house arrest with no trial.

Wow, the police were incredibly patient there.

I think if they had believed her to be homeless or otherwise vulnerable the first time they spoke to her, it wouldn’t have played out like this. She had basically decided she was staying out for the afternoon and would then stroll to the shop on the way home. Unlike what the rest of us are doing which is have a walk round the block and go home or drive directly to the supermarket, queue up and get our bits, drive home.

@browzingss

You're right. It is debatable. Extended police powers have been pushed through because of the pandemic.

The law, will be the basis of what is allowed and what isnt.

What was demonstrated in the video was telling. The officer said 'his interpretation'

Whether we like it or not, and this isn't supporting her behaviour, she had him.

@bakedcam

Along with everyone else, police quite rightfully interpret the law.

Law is rarely clear cut. There are often grey areas requiring some level of common sense. The courts ultimately determine how the law should be applied.

(Although the current Act is pretty poor so admittedly leaves a lot more room for interpretation than most)

@Balhammom

Absolutely.

That's the thing about the law. Police have powers. The law is the law.

The mail online have tried to contact her.
Hopefully she’ll be suitably shamed, she’s a flat earther and 5g conspiracy person!

How do you know, Choccy?

Have you been homeless? What would you do were you homeless? Trot off down to the council offices? Not film?

Ask the police for help? They dont have powers to help the homeless in finding accommodation.

Many women have been failed by the very services that claim to help them. (I'm not saying this was the case here)

All police can do is refer on to services.

@MrsTerryPratchett Very well put. I absolutely agree.

JUst listening to yourselves, a bad idea to answer back the police, can't she just be gassed or tasered ?

I said that, maybe you missed the smilie at end of it, it was a joke, I didn't really want her to get tasered, it was a bit of sarcasm lighten up.

What an appalling woman. I hope she is charged.

The police behaved perfectly there. I would hope that YouTube would ensure that videos like this don't make any money from the number of clicks they get.

Posted too soon.
I do NOT want her censored but I do want to make sure that people do not make money out of being a pain in the arse to the authorities at a time like this.

@BakedCam as far as i know homeless have to be accomodated during the lockdown so yes they would have helped