Paris bans all outdoor exercise during the day [title edited by MNHQ]

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France has banned daytime outdoor exercise from tomorrow with fines equivalent to £120 for non-compliance. 6 months in prison if you continue to disobey the rule.
www.thesun.co.uk/news/11345945/coronavirus-paris-ban-outdoor-exercise-jail-france/

We could be talking a year or 2 as far as a vaccine goes

Of course we could.

But there is no scenario where this level of lockdown continues indefinitely.

We are more likely to alternate between stricter periods and then "looser" periods so why not make the strict periods as strict as possible to make them as efficient as possible.

I'd be interested to see the suicide rates etc. too.

Lots of talk in the Uk about mental health but I don't hear that much here in France. Perhaps French people are not quite so convinced of the benefits of "fresh air'.

Certainly during the winter kids often don't go out because they might "catch cold" and are totally bundled up. So it's not that different to a normal winter except that the weather is nice !

But there is no scenario where this level of lockdown continues indefinitely

Hence my previous posted theory that may or may not be partly true who knows.

Financially things are going to be dire for everyone pretty soon. Tbh I dont know what people will be going back to. So many will have their businesses gone forever. Many will carry the mental scars from this fir the rest if their lives. And the revelation that so many people took the first opportunity to make nasty assumptions about other people, call them murders and thick or selfish etc even when they are within the rules, the sheer joy others seem to have in every measure that takes yet more freedom away from law abiding and good citizens of whatever country and wont be happy til everyones in some windowless underground bunker alone.

There has been zero discussion on any firm of exit plan. But given the plan is not about curing this virus but slowing the spread for hospitals, what exactly is the way out..

I agree re. ‘new’ exercisers. My DS normally goes to the gym for an hour or so before work and often swims after work. That’s obviously not an option now so he is out running most days. He’s also hired a spin bike from a local studio and is doing online classes. Those things are all new to him but he’s not a ‘new’ exerciser.

It would be great if there were new exercisers. 1 in 6 premature deaths in the UK can be attributed to lack of exercise. Seems unlikely that people are turning to exercise in these times, but limiting exercise is not without great risk.

My work here in France is very proactive about mental health in lockdown. Lots of videos, confcalls, hotlines, articles with various advice.

Team managers have set up daily chats with teams - not to talk about work but just to chat and laugh.

Also acknowledgment that it is hard to juggle work and DC.

I don't see why we should have to face the same restrictions because idiots in London or Birmingham can't behave themselves

You know the Google Covid mobility stats show London is MORE compliant than the UK average, right?

VaggieMight

People who live in homes without gardens should be given passes so they can still go out in the daytime once a day.“

Suggested on another thread that people with large gardens might consider giving up a daily walk for a while, so that people with no outside space could get out without compromising social distancing, ie less people about. I thought it was just a nice gesture towards other human beings.
I was called a “tinpot Stalinist” 😂

You are far too reasonable.

I have come up with punishment for people who meet in groups outside. They all have to go into isolation in the smallest home of the group.

New exercisers:
My child runs around at school all day, swimming, football and sports etc, I have a decent walk to and from my transport each day and take another good walk every lunch time. We are out and about constantly every weekend. That's in addition to walks in the neighbourhood. We and all our neighbours (doubtless, with similar lifestyles) now have to extract all our daily activity from one walk in the neighbourhood per day. Yeah, there's a few people about. Frankly, what the fuck else we supposed to do? This is all we've been left with.

To be really honest, if this goes on too long and too severely, people will simply think "fuck this" and take extra walks, more shops, see their friends. No I haven't done this. I have followed the rules. But these things need buy in to work and people aren't going to literally damage their and their children's health with months and months of little exercise, sunlight and fresh air for nebulous aims to protect people who are not them and their own children. That's human nature. Few will self destruct or harm their children for strangers.

There has already been civil unrest and rioting in Italy and Wuhan, respectively. They aren't as happy and compliant as our own leaders would have us believe.

I bought a new exercise bike. I’ve put it together and looked at it so far.

I don't really get why the French are doing this. It's like closing parks and car parks - by restricting space and time you just squeeze people into smaller and smaller spaces (and timeslots). I really don't see how it is advantageous.

Anyway it would not have stopped me this morning, I went out about 9.35 and was back around 10.15 so it would have hardly been any skin off my nose to leave a few minutes earlier. I only really saw a few runners and a couple of walkers out.

Going out after 7 is ok because it's still light and will gradually get lighter as the days get longer, I don't think it's really a safety issue.

But I can't see why it would have any impact on infection levels. They say it's busy - well who else is out during the day? You're only meant to be out for work or food/medicines shopping - here the streets are really quiet and it's people exercising who make it a bit busier in the afternoons. The more sensible approach might be like they do with car reg plates in Paris and come up with a rota approach where you have to go out at a certain time to spread people across the day.

if this goes on too long and too severely, people will simply think "fuck this" and take extra walks, more shops, see their friends

until they start receiving fines. So far, the UK has been very light on that aspect, but it's not impossible that authorities start to crack down on unreasonable and anti-social behaviour.

I would much prefer if people breaking rules were fined in amounts that make them think twice, a few £100 for a first offence would be a good start, than the rest of the country being penalised. It's fairer and would have better results.
Fines could go towards an NHS fund.

I read that the French number of deaths today rocketed. Their government are just trying to prevent more loss of life. I just can't see why people cannot grasp this. Macron will not be putting this in place for fun. Covid is deadly. Most countries don't have enough ventilators for or everyone if they all insist on going out when it is so dangerous. Why is it so hard to grasp, everytime you go out, you risk your life.

@MamaBearOnLockdown I think the fines system in France is good. it's better now it's been clarified a bit in the health and exercise sections, I do think when there are fines that they need to be completely clear about what you can and can't do, and the original attestation had the look of a rush job. I spent a lot of time looking for answers to questions the government had obviously not considered.

The whole thing does makes me anxious about going out at all in case I have made a mistake, so I suppose that's mission accomplished for the government. In fact I was making a mistake until an emergency services worker on FB actually told me that going to the pharmacy is shopping not health! I'm not bothering to go out for a walk, my 50m of private road has 3 house and the others are empty so I just walk up and down!

But anyway it would be good to include fines and maybe a similar form in the U.K. - I think it means you think about why you're going out and whether it's worth the hassle of filling in the form. I do think it's crazy that I can't go to my post box (50m) or the recycling point (20m) without it, and even crazier that no one can visit their allotments, but I try to forget about climate change, reuse the back of the paper for a shopping list, grit my teeth and only check the mail box 3 times a week!

We're very rural and I could probably break the rules and get away with it - have actually only been stopped at the border so far (only go out once or twice a week apart from the damn postbox).

At least no one here is trying to police whether my shopping is 'essential'!

@caringcarer didn't the figure rocket today because they suddenly added all the care home deaths? Or am I thinking of somewhere else?

The restrictions on exercise have been extended to other areas just outside Paris (Hauts de Seine and Yvelines departments) so I do wonder if they'll be taken up in other counties that are equally densely populated.

Personally I can't see the logic in sending out the joggers all at the same time, I'd have thought it made more sense to spread them out during the day.

Apparently the rules say we can still take kids out for a walk during daytime hours (thank God) but what's the difference in them getting exercise and people who choose to go at a slightly faster pace? Mad idea imo.

Ive went running at 7am today. Barely saw anyone (I live in a very residential area of Paris). In 25 minutes I saw 2 dog walkers, 2 other joggers, 1 lady walking and about 5 people going to work. The pavements are 3m wide here so I passed by easily.

The figures rocketed yesterday because they included care homes - some ofnthose figures included deaths from the weekend too. It was not just the daily rate.

I didn't mean that negatively about new exercisers by the way, I think it's fabulous and hopefully people will keep it up and it will be one positive coming out of this whole mess!