Lockdown will end sooner than later

[Mumlove5]

Let’s hope the government will listen to the economists. A balance needs to be created.

I honestly do not think Boris will stand for a longterm lockdown. He wants to get back to normality ASAP.

Plus, infection rates are slowing in Europe🙏🏻

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/05/behind-scenes-boris-johnsons-gang-becoming-riven-infighting/

“It’s a false argument that we are either going to save lives or save the economy,” said Sir Iain, a former Work and Pensions Secretary. “We are talking about saving lives right now versus saving lives in the future because people have got jobs to go back to, and a strong economy that can raise enough taxes to pay for the NHS.”

Yet when does the crossover point come when the Government has to start prioritising the economy above all else? “I’d say we have until the end of this month,” added Mr Duncan Smith. “We have a chance of saving the economy if we are out of this in three weeks but much longer and businesses won’t be able to be resurrected and charities will go under. And then we will see real suffering. We get this done, we flatten the curve and we get back to normal.”

The government needs everyone to focus on what we need to do now. Not focus on when we get out

Exactly this. If people even get a whiff that restrictions are going to be lifted they’ll stop taking it seriously.

Every time we've had a decision to make we've made the wrong one. It was obvious to me in January that the 'virus' would come here. Why was it not obvious to government?

It was obvious to the government, but as they keep saying they were finding the right time to lock down. Balancing the economy mental and physical health.

What country are you in mindpeoject?

I notice you talked about "your" government referring to the Uk and I notice you talk about unemployment leading to death when there is no safety net...so ( however limited it is ) the uk does have a pretty good safety net

The government are not the top tier. They just follow orders.

Yup that's right. It's the Illuminati lizard-overlords who are in charge of all of this and who have released the virus as part of their plan for a New World Order. If you can't see it, you're just a sheeple.

FFS.

@Foghead

I think we need a proper hard lockdown for about 8 weeks so everyone who’s going to get it gets it, survives it or dies

Huh? But that's the opposite of a 'proper hard lockdown'? We would just have to continue as normal if we wanted everyone to get it/survive/die. A hard lockdown would be reduce the chance of becoming infected.

They will soon decide the economy is more important than human life - because sadly it is!! :(

Releasing lockdown is not all or nothing, is it? As pp have said, there is a range of restrictions, and they will be loosened or tightened in response to the numbers. The challenge in doing that is the time lag between changing policy and seeing the impact in the figures.

Hopefully over time the statisticians will get better at predicting that, and then they’ll be able to say “We are introducing (or lifting) this restriction for x weeks” and be confident that it will keep the rate of infections and hospitalisations within manageable limits.

But be in no doubt - the permanent removal of all restrictions is not going to happen until there is either a vaccine, or sufficient people have had it for the infamous herd immunity to be effective. If it’s the latter, an awful lot of people will have died before we get there.

And for those who still think that most of those dying with this were already close to death, have a look at this:

I think we need a proper hard lockdown for about 8 weeks so everyone who’s going to get it gets it, survives it or dies

That makes no sense. With a ‘proper hard lockdown’ barely anyone would get it?

@Pickles89 sorry I meant everyone who was infected already and was going to get it.

It is oversimplification to suggest its lives or economy

A virus that rips through the uk causing NHS collapse and over a million deaths ( untreated virus plus untreated cancers, strokes , heart attacks and even septic broken legs ) will cause HUGE economic disaster

Lockdown is effectively a short term pain for a longer term less bad

There will be nothing open pubs restaurants or non essential shops till September. Aboustly no way is this ending sooner than that

Watch UCLH on BBC news now. They’ve never had anything like it. And we aren’t at the peak yet

"The government are not the top tier. They just follow orders."

MindProject You keep posting your weird conspiracy theories about certain groups controlling all the governments

This crisis is quite sufficient drama without inventing conspiracies out of your arse

I don’t think the harrowed staff in UCLH want an early lockdown end.

@Gre8scott you really need to study economics a bit more.. If you possibly think the government will keep businesses afloat until then... Many countries are already preparing to lift restrictions this month and as soon as they do many other countries will do the same... Money makes the world go round I'm afraid abf this is no different!

None of it makes any sense, unless you understand that the people who control the government are total psychopaths. Stop believing they have your best interests at heart

Who are the psychopaths? Are they global and controlling all the govts?

I hope you’re not serious- if you are, then I hope you have access to support. I know someone who really, really believed that kind of stuff and it ended tragically.

I also think that restrictions will be gradually lifted over the early summer, if we get through the peak when predicted. But there are so many moving parts that could change this picture so it's impossible for anyone to tell us what will happen-if we don't keep the lockdown now, we won't have a peak in that time frame and we won't have a flattening so the argument for lifting it won't be there-but if that happens I think those who are currently discontent would begin to feel that home is the safest place to be.

the main effect c19 is having is speeding up the death of already very ill people

My DH is at significant risk of dying if he contracts Covid-19, because he has serious underlying respiratory conditions. He is in the vulnerable 12-week shielding category. However, with careful management, those underlying conditions in and off themselves are unlikely to carry him off for at least 10-15 years in the normal progression of things and in the meantime he can still enjoy life, go on holiday and generally be a wonderful husband to me and father to his children. Yet if he died from Covid-19 tomorrow, people like you would consider it just the slightly sped up death of someone "very ill" because he would be reported as one of those victims with underlying health conditions. No matter that he could have potentially had another 10, 15, maybe even 20+ years ahead of him and us. These are real people, with real lives and real loved ones you're casually writing off here.

What people aren't realising is people are dying because of the lockdown. I work for the substance misuse team in a smallish city. Since the lockdown began 2 weeks ago we have had 14 deaths from overdose, alcohol withdrawal or suicide and that's the ones we know about. These people have got no support, no one to one sessions, no support groups. All their appointments are over the phone. Same with mental health services. We can do nothing for the people we know are at risk from DV. It's scary.

It’d be a pointless waste to come out of lockdown too early. People have lost income, jobs and businesses already to slow the death rate. We don’t want to then just expose everyone to the virus and let thousands more die needlessly (and it is needlessly- underlying condition doesn’t mean someone is at death’s door).

Plus, it’s not like the economy was working brilliantly beforehand. Huge percentages of the population were a couple of paypackets away from destitution, children going to school hungry, large need for food banks while working. Going back to that would only help those at the top again, even if they then didn’t lose loved ones and large numbers of workers to sickness and death.

There needs to be a real rethink about priorities, and about inequalities, to keep a healthy society once this goes.

I agree with others who say lockdown ending does not mean things will go back to normal. That will be a long time away social distancing is the new normal.
But I agree some phased back to work for some will happen over the coming weeks . I do think the government should continue encourage people who can to work from home and also online shopping where possible.
I know the week before lockdown when the government said work from home if possible many did but like my company for example didn't . I think the working from home where possible will help with social distancing less people at work, less using public transport and the economy won't be as badly hit . I know this isn't possible and for many companies the damage is already done . I do think schools / leisure and holidays will be way off yet .
It will be a gradual process and I wouldn't rule out further lockdowns of a similar nature .
It's hard we all have our own stuff going on and this will probably be the hardest period of our life for most of us .

My friend is a GP in London.
She said that they had been told a peak was expected over Easter and they a decline.

Anyone remembers the threads about possible school closure and the majority of posters stating that it absolutely could NEVER happen, it wasn't possible or sustainable, and how would parents manage...

And here we are today.

What people aren't realising is people are dying because of the lockdown

That’s a very poignant post and so valid to point it out. People don’t think of the uncounted deaths that this is causing, and there will sadly be many,as well as people now locked down with Their abusers, be they women, men or children.

It’s the unspoken statistic.