Lockdown will end sooner than later

[Mumlove5]

Let’s hope the government will listen to the economists. A balance needs to be created.

I honestly do not think Boris will stand for a longterm lockdown. He wants to get back to normality ASAP.

Plus, infection rates are slowing in Europe🙏🏻

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/04/05/behind-scenes-boris-johnsons-gang-becoming-riven-infighting/

“It’s a false argument that we are either going to save lives or save the economy,” said Sir Iain, a former Work and Pensions Secretary. “We are talking about saving lives right now versus saving lives in the future because people have got jobs to go back to, and a strong economy that can raise enough taxes to pay for the NHS.”

Yet when does the crossover point come when the Government has to start prioritising the economy above all else? “I’d say we have until the end of this month,” added Mr Duncan Smith. “We have a chance of saving the economy if we are out of this in three weeks but much longer and businesses won’t be able to be resurrected and charities will go under. And then we will see real suffering. We get this done, we flatten the curve and we get back to normal.”

And it's not a choice between health and economy.

In the 1920s the US states that recovered economically stronger and faster actually did harder and longer restrictions

Because uncontrolled virus causes economic damage

^*That's just taking the piss out of people who are scared and want their family and friends to be safe.

I totally understand about the economy.

However there are people who are sulking because they can't get pissed at the bank holiday with their mates or their holiday abroad's been ruined.*^

I don't think so. There are some real doom mongers on mumsnet and they're relishing in it.

I have no desire to go and get pissed, didn't do that before anyway. Not bothered if I get no holiday this year, doubt I'd go anyway now, even in the UK. My parents are both high risk, and my dh is still having to work outside the home, my sister works in a supermarket, so I know all about worrying about family.

I just believe that once we get over the peak, the government will lift restrictions, bit at a time.

I don't believe they're going to lock us all inside for the next 18 months.

Well I don't want to die, I don't want any of my loved ones or friends to die, so I hope it lasts as long as it needs to. Would you prefer to be unemployed or dead. Sorry but I don't think we should sacrifice people to help the economy. There is plenty of wealth in this country to go around if people can get their heads around sharing, and having a more equitable society. Surely we can all see that people on minimum wage keep the country going just as much as the millionaire business people, or professionals? Equity for all - maybe we will end up with the wealth being distributed more equitably - live in a more equal society with respect for all, even people on minimum wage, or near it, who lets face it, work bloody hard. With a Tory government though, this is a pipe dream really. They will get us all back to work to save the economy.

@Alialialiali good comment! A lot of the comments do seem to have taken on a messianic tone, but then as soon as people start losing anyone in their circle of friends it naturally becomes very much more real and they won't want to come out. That's what happened in Wuhan. I work with a guy in Guangzhou and he's supposed to be back at work, but he says he's too scared to leave his flat... He's gone proper weird and can't actually do his work any more, because he is online from 8 am until midnight every day.

I never said 18 months and I hope they do lift a few restrictions.

I will miss the bank holiday and holiday abroad BUT I don't think it should be rushed. I don't want my child going back to school yet. Too many people are dying.

What will be different in September? With no herd immunity and no vaccine, why is September the magic month?

September absolutely isn’t a magic month. If there was a widespread lifting of restrictions in September there would be another peak in November, which would be disastrous for the NHS.
That’s why it makes more sense to go a gradual lifting of restrictions before September while the impact is assessed. Then potentially another period of stricter measures in the autumn.

However there are people who are sulking because they can't get pissed at the bank holiday with their mates or their holiday abroad's been ruined.

I have no desire to go and get pissed, didn't do that before anyway. Not bothered if I get no holiday this year, doubt I'd go anyway now, even in the UK. My parents are both high risk, and my dh is still having to work outside the home, my sister works in a supermarket, so I know all about worrying about family.

How astonishing, though, that you have to certify that your life has importance beyond 'getting pissed'. What if it doesn't? Do we have to rationalise the ways in which we spend our free time now so that it might be considered more worthwhile than some vague goal of saving lives?

Would you prefer to be unemployed or dead
but AIUI we are not preventing any covid deaths, more slowing down the rate at which people die from it so as to avoid a 'bodies rotting in the streets' scenario?

I get the argument op but now we have entered the suppression route, and the chancellor has pumped all this money into it there's no way they're suddenly going to turn around and change tac without the stats showing that it's safe enough to stop the lockdown. The government is already taking advice from a wide range of sources including economists (not just one). They have just banned all non essential travel indefinitely. This isn't going away anytime soon no matter how much people want the lockdown to end. If that worked we should all just wish the Coronavirus away. If anything it looks like it will be lasting longer. The press conference just now indicated we're not at the peak yet and they don't think we will be in the next week. I'm not being a pessimist. I am just listening to what the government is saying and reading the papers on which they based their change in policy and reading between the lines.

I think it will be stretched out to maximise the disruption.

They could have stopped all passenger flights coming into this country in January if they wanted to (as I kept saying)and we wouldn't be in this situation now, with thousands dying and millions facing financial ruin. It was as if they wanted it all to go shit. Sorry to be the sceptic.

"UYScuti"

Slowing down so there is enough equipment and beds to save people.

Well yes, quite marginalgain

September isn't a magic month is it, which is why they'll want to gradually lift restrictions, not just yet, but during Summer when the nhs has more capacity. They'll no doubt reassess constantly.

And still flights are coming in, yet we're not allowed to exercise soon?

None of it makes any sense, unless you understand that the people who control the government are total psychopaths. Stop believing they have your best interests at heart.

Sarah

The voice of reason. I think we are in the minority.

Being unemployed can very quickly lead to death for lots of people who don't have a safety net.

They would have found it hard to get public approval for restricting flights in January when no one in the uk took it seriously

It was as if they wanted it all to go shit
there may be forces at work who want that, whether they prevail is another matter

You do not need to have another peak if you realise from lockdown before there is a vaccine

You do need to take action to prevent that happening but that is not that difficult , especially when people understand what the alternative is

I understand that this is serious and we need to flatten the curve etc.

I get how dangerous this virus can be. But I got that before the government did and also think it is so strange that they let things get this bad.

It is as if they wanted it all to go to shit.

The government are not the top tier. They just follow orders.

The public are very compliant. The majority of people just believe everything they are told, especially if you tell them more than once.

I think we need a proper hard lockdown for about 8 weeks so everyone who’s going to get it gets it, survives it or dies, Then we can start getting it all together again and lift it.
I’m not relishing the lockdown and can’t wait for it to end but I can’t see any other way that stops another escalation of infections and deaths.

Countries like Austria and Denmark are beginning to ease the lockdown and I guess we will follow suit once the peak has passed. I think it will be gradual (like Austria non-essential shops opening) and people being allowed out as and when and if the numbers don't go too crazy then more restrictions lifted. I think schools will open some point in May - depending on numbers of cases. I think that there will be some restrictions going forward and vulnerable people will continue to be shielded.

God it's really depressing. Lockdown continuing it seems

To be fair it was always continuing, I don’t think anyone expected any restrictions to be lifted on the 13th. The question is how long for. Personally I think max three weeks more after that.

The government won’t be drawn on it for the exact reason Raab said, which is it muddies the message, too many twats will think right, it’s been lifted in a month, let’s just do shit now and everyone will start focusing on that nd questioning it.. Plus clearly they can’t make any promises right now, they still need to watch this play out.

The government needs everyone to focus on what we need to do now. Not focus on when we get out.

They could have stopped all passenger flights coming into this country in January if they wanted to (as I kept saying)and we wouldn't be in this situation now, with thousands dying and millions facing financial ruin. It was as if they wanted it all to go shit.

Wuhan didn't even go into lockdown until late January, but you're saying that a country on the other side of the world should have taken the drastic step of shutting down its airspace at the same time? How many other European countries took that step?