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What is the true story?

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Namechangervaver · 06/04/2020 00:33

Hancock has said he has lost two people close to him.

Somebody I know has died.

Boris has been hospitalised.

The country has been shut down despite us knowing that to do this will cripple us for years to come, so it's a very serious situation.

A small fraction of our population is supposedly affected but I'm guessing we all know people hospitalised or dead.

This is obviously so much worse than we have been told

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MarginalGain · 06/04/2020 08:38

Having said that I know of 3 people who have died (not covid related) but the family just signed them as covid so they could get the body released quicker. This too will have an affect on stats.

Is this actually true? Confused

TheNavigator · 06/04/2020 08:39

I'm guessing we all know people hospitalised or dead.

I am in rural Scotland and I don't know anyone confirmed as having Covid 19, let alone hospitalised or died. We are all obediently obeying the lockdown in the village, but it does feel like a phony war.

MarginalGain · 06/04/2020 08:39

Early deaths tend to be clustered by socio-economic status.

Sunshineeeee · 06/04/2020 08:41

Oh and about ambulances only taking those who are blue and purple.. not true! I had a severe fever last week (turned out to be mastitis) and I was wheeled in immediately, given iv and sent home with antibiotics. 111 were overworked and busy and I never did get a doctor call me back but when my fever escalated even further my husband just called 999 and they came immediately.

People ARE being seen but they'd rather just see you, treat you and send you home ASAP. Most people that are admitted for stay are those who are extremely vulnerable and in need of ventilators.

HereDefenders · 06/04/2020 08:41

Having said that I know of 3 people who have died (not covid related) but the family just signed them as covid so they could get the body released quicker

I don't believe this can be true.

LuluJakey1 · 06/04/2020 08:42

I think it is very noticeable that we have not been shown footage inside an ICU or coronavirus ward. We have seen footage from Italy and Ecuador - Sky team in full PPE taken into a ward- but not the UK. It is very easy to blur out faces, so it isn't about protecting identities. I don't know if they think it would be too frightening or might panic us. We do usually see in-depth reporting on Sky/BBC -inside hospitals- about medical issues but it is all very way off the frontline with this.

It makes me feel they are hiding stuff from us. Same with Boris. He was patently more poorly than they were saying- The Guardian has revealed they were told last week he was much more poorly but that Number 10 would only say he was recovering.

The data is not as open as it should be. They do not list all of the deaths, only those from confirmed cases who have died in hospitals. They do not list the deaths by hospital or local authority (at least not that I have seen). It is hard to know in your own locality what is happening. Our local authority has about 200 cases - I have no idea how many of those are critical, how many have recovered, what age groups they are and no idea how many people, if any, have died in our local authority.

I know they have to balance all kinds of issues in managing this but I think they need to be more honest with us.

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NemophilistRebel · 06/04/2020 08:44

It also turns out China lied about it not transferring from mother to foetus as vertical transmission has now been confirmed along with third trimester stillborns

SabrinaTheTeenageBitch · 06/04/2020 08:45

My husband is a funeral director. You absolutely cannot just sign a death of as covid to rush things through. How utterly ridiculous

HereDefenders · 06/04/2020 08:45

Why do we need to see footage inside an ICU? It's a massive distraction for the medical staff.

I think Boris Johnson has been more unwell than they have said.

The data is not open because the figures are being manipulated through lack of testing.

Pictures of the Nightingale are scary enough. I don't need to see people on ventilators to understand the magnitude of this.

I know of one person who has been in hospital for nearly 2 weeks, a couple more that went to A&E with symptoms. I have been told by someone with first hand experience of at least 2 people who died in a local nursing home.

NemophilistRebel · 06/04/2020 08:46

A friend is an Italian A&E doctor and is scared, she has been saying it’s worse than what is being let on

But also I have 2 family members who are A&e doctors in a different trust and they were saying it’s not that bad and will be manageable

Sunshineeeee · 06/04/2020 08:46

@MarginalGain yes 100%. One of them was an elderly man in his 80's who had a heart attack and passed away. It was confirmed he had a heart attack but for the hospital to carry out the post mortem officially and confirm it (in this current climate) it would take up to 4 weeks. The family wanted him released immediately so just signed it.

That's just one person whom I know of personally. Another accidental and public case is of that 18 year old girl who passed away due to a heart attack but the coroner recorded her as a covid death (which later had to be amended).

I'm not saying there aren't deaths etc I just think it's impossible to get proper stats as there are so many other factors like a PP mentioned eg a cancer patient who also has covid.. was it the covid or cancer.. hard to tell. All we can do is take the relevant means to keep ourselves and our loved ones safe.

Greenpop21 · 06/04/2020 08:47

I don’t know of anyone who’s had it or died thank goodness. I do think that early news of it being mild has reached everybody but I think the figures lately and news of young otherwise healthy people dying will start to get through.

MarginalGain · 06/04/2020 08:47

Why do we need to see footage inside an ICU? It's a massive distraction for the medical staff.

Isn't it normal to have press covering pandemics? How do you account for the extensive footage of ICUs in other countries?

HoffiCoffi13 · 06/04/2020 08:47

LuluJakey1 infection control will be a huge part of that. We don’t have enough PPE for the actual drs and nurses, let alone a camera crew.

The lady who lives opposite me is a senior nurse in intensive car at our local hospital, which is one of the hardest hit areas outside of London. She says it’s busy and distressing but everyone feels prepared and calm (for now) as it is basically exactly what they were expecting and have been trained for. She’s a very positive person generally though!

LuluJakey1 · 06/04/2020 08:48

@Sunshineeeee Having said that I know of 3 people who have died (not covid related) but the family just signed them as covid so they could get the body released quicker

That can't be true. It is a death certificate that decides how a death is accounted for in health statistics, not how a family 'signed them' (whatever that means). Can you explain what you meant?

MarginalGain · 06/04/2020 08:49

@MarginalGain yes 100%. One of them was an elderly man in his 80's who had a heart attack and passed away. It was confirmed he had a heart attack but for the hospital to carry out the post mortem officially and confirm it (in this current climate) it would take up to 4 weeks. The family wanted him released immediately so just signed it.

Sorry, I'm a bit sceptical. Public Health can't be seen to allow inflated covid19 stats, this would obviously contravene every medical guideline on the planet (inc WHO).

PineappleDanish · 06/04/2020 08:50

I know loads of people all across the UK. I know nobody in hospital, or who has died. I do know of 7 people in Scotland who have had it (one GP, one medical student who probably picked it up in A&E) and all are now completely recovered.

Why do people have to turn everything into a conspiracy?

aurynne · 06/04/2020 08:51

To the people who keep insisting that the flu kills more people... the flu stats are given as deaths per year. This virus has killed 4,500 people.. in a month. And the numbers of dead are incrasing in the logarithmic scale. Think about it for a second, and then say again that it is like the flu.

justanotherneighinparadise · 06/04/2020 08:51

I know of a family affected through my mother. Three brothers in hospital with it, two have died so far. All men in their 60s.

Personally I don’t know anyone who has it or has had it but I’m fully expecting to get it at some point.

HereDefenders · 06/04/2020 08:51

Isn't it normal to have press covering pandemics?

Pandemics aren't normal. There is no 'normal'. Let the staff get on with their job.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 06/04/2020 08:51

Apparently it depends on the amount of virus you’re infected with that decides whether it’ll be mild or severe, which would explain a lot as it seems to vary so much between people.

I don't think that's true.
You only need to be infected by a small number of virus particles (virions) and your body does the rest - they rapidly replicate.
These things always vary between people - it's completely normal for people to have different responses to the same virus.

myfav · 06/04/2020 08:52

It is bad but I don't think there is a cover up. Unfortunately some people will experience several losses to the virus and thus form the opinion that the virus is far worse than what is reported and others will only experience the virus through a friend of a friend.

underneaththeash · 06/04/2020 08:53

I know 10 people who have definitely had it (I'm in SE Bucks) and 1 of them was in hospital, although didn't need ventilation. Most were unwell, but recovered within a week and that included an 84 year old.

SabrinaTheTeenageBitch · 06/04/2020 08:53

Covid deaths are accounting for a small amount of my husbands work. Bear in mind the procedure for how staff deal with covid bodies is different for obvious safety reasons a doctor would absolutely not in any circumstances encourage a family to lie about cause of death. How absurd. And normal deaths are coming through and being dealt with in a normal, timely manner. There would be no need to 'rush things through' as far as I can gather