What is the true story?

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Hancock has said he has lost two people close to him.

Somebody I know has died.

Boris has been hospitalised.

The country has been shut down despite us knowing that to do this will cripple us for years to come, so it's a very serious situation.

A small fraction of our population is supposedly affected but I'm guessing we all know people hospitalised or dead.

This is obviously so much worse than we have been told

@Sunshineeeee Having said that I know of 3 people who have died (not covid related) but the family just signed them as covid so they could get the body released quicker

When someone dies, if a post-mortem needs to be done, the family have no choice in that matter. You do not sign anything to agree a cause of death. That is decided by a Dr.

Isn't it normal to have press covering pandemics?

Pandemics aren't normal. There is no 'normal'. Let the staff get on with their job.

There have been several in my lifetime and they've all been extensively covered by the press.

The death rate of people tested positive in hospital in the UK is 9.4% as of today. If you look at the death rate in countries where testing is widespread eg Germany, then the death rate is around 1% of those tested positive. This would realistically mean that instead of 47,806 cases we actually have close to half a million cases that would be symptomatic enough to be tested. When you consider the vast majority of cases can be either asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms, it is not unreasonable to suggest that Covid 19 has infected a siginifcant proportion of the population. The death rates reflect infections from 1-2 weeks ago and deaths reported from the previous week, so we have a long way to go. So far, I know one person in her 40s who was hospitalised. Sadly, I know this number will increase as we move towards the peak.

Listening to some posters on here talking about not knowing anyone who has had it, I can understand some of the behaviour that has been happening. People meeting up for mother's day, family barbeques, sunbathing, thinking it is all a big fuss. I can only say, I hope you never know anyone who dies from this and I hope you start to practice social distancing before it is too late.

Based on all the positive recovery stories we had initially and being told it was mild could we now be into a mutated stage where it is worse? And maybe it’s just mutated so far in London and that mutation is yet to spread far and wide

@wheresmymojo, the family you know, if they only had mild symptoms how did they get a test?

Apparently it depends on the amount of virus you’re infected with that decides whether it’ll be mild or severe, which would explain a lot as it seems to vary so much between people.

I don't think that's true.
You only need to be infected by a small number of virus particles (virions) and your body does the rest - they rapidly replicate.
These things always vary between people - it's completely normal for people to have different responses to the same virus.

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It does seem counterintuitive but I believe it's true, and this is the explanation for the disproportionate number of young/healthy medics dying from covid19.

Sorry, not saying that’s not true, just genuinely puzzled.

@LuluJakey1 the hospital told the family since the patient was not tested and has died at a time of a pandemic it could be that the pandemic was the cause of death. The only way to confirm this is via post mortem which they said could take up to 4 weeks now. The family didn't agree to the post mortem so accepted the cause of death to be covid (which can't be confirmed) and thus got access to the body and had the deceased buried soon after.

I wouldn't make this up for fun . Unless the family had lied to everyone I believe this to be true. When my gran died the certificate said she had died of a heart attack but before this the doctor sat me down and spoke to me and told me they weren't sure if it was a pulmonary embolism that caused death or the heart attack but that they believed it likely to be the heart attack so that would be the official cause of death. I agreed and didn't ask for a post mortem. Perhaps it was the same scenario with this family.

I’m in London and know a few people who’ve had it. They’ve all recovered or are on the path to recovery, and none of them needed hospital treatment.

On the other hand I know someone who’s grandad was admitted to hospital, very unwell, but he actually tested negative. I guess we forget other illnesses and regular flu/colds are still out there.

It does seem counterintuitive but I believe it's true, and this is the explanation for the disproportionate number of young/healthy medics dying from covid19

I think this is where the CORRECT and EFFECTIVE PPE point will be made when this is all over. It’s scandalous that those working the front line have not had the right protection. No wonder fit and healthy Drs and nurses have succumbed. Their daily viral load must have been enormous.

@NemophilistRebel
Do you have a link to that info about pregnancy ? 😳😢

It would be interesting to know how many of those are a result of isolation and not Covid-19. People seem to think lockdown comes with no cost to lives.

On the other hand, I think road fatalities will be pretty much flatlining at the moment...

Call me a heartless bastard if you like, but I can't at present get wildly wound up about people I don't know dying more than I was already about the countless thousands who die across the world daily for any number of reasons. Certainly not more worried about that than about the less-imminent but still daunting likelihood of thousands dying of the cause of a global economic recession...

The truth is, none of us know for sure if there's a conspiracy or whether we've been told the whole truth. It's such pointless speculation, but that's MN.

Mass graves are being dug and noone is worried, from well documented precedent, it it could be plans for something OTHER than the deaths from the virus? This is a freaking nightmare.

Listening to some posters on here talking about not knowing anyone who has had it, I can understand some of the behaviour that has been happening.

As I, and another poster from Scotland said above, just because we don't know anyone who's had it, been hospitalised or died, doesn't mean we aren't staying home.
But, yes, I can imagine some people don't worry about things till it affects them personally, sadly.

@LuluJakey1 the family do have a choice in the matter of a post mortem as long as the death wasn't seen as suspicious. You can look this up. If a doctor determines a death to be of bla bla illness and the family disagrees they can push for a post mortem. If the doctor determines the death to be bla bla and asks the family if they want a post mortem or are happy with that, they can agree or disagree.

Anyway this is just my experience. It is anecdotal. It's not stats and I'm not stating it as that. This is what I've experienced from people I know. Whether they've lied or not I don't know but I choose to believe them. I'm not a conspiracist, I think covid is a real threat. I also think pinning the exact numbers will be hard. It's either a lot worse or a lot less. It's hard to know 100% if someone died from covid unless they tested positive and didn't have any underlying health conditions.

At the moment the mass graves is just hearsay and scaremongering
The last poster said they couldn’t even say where they were

I feel that I have been fully made aware of how bad it is. Maybe you were just in denial op?

@Helpwithaversion the RCOG updated their information for 3rd trimester pregnancies. Il try and dig it out

I don’t know anyone hospitalised or dead. I am still following all the rules.

I know lots who might have had mild cases. Am a bit pissed off though that none of us know if it really was novel corona due to absence of testing. I hope they get the antibody testing going soon. Or a therapy. Or something. Cos this isn’t really sustainable.

Ultimately the only way out of lockdown is herd immunity.

There needs to be much much more testing to find out who has it as of those tested only between 10% (Germany) and 25% (UK, in hospital, symptomatic) have it. A lot of people will think they have but won’t - common seasonal bugs are still in circulation and some of those cause pneumonia too.

The day I got really worried was the day I read that many cases (most?) are actually asymptomatic. That was weeks ago. That day I took my kids out of school. Before the closures.

@underneaththeash @swerfandturf how did they manage to get tested if they stayed at home? Just curious.
IF there are mass graves I imagine they are a back up incase funerals cannot take place at all due to staffing issues.

@Helpwithaversion this is taken from the 6th update the the COVID guidelines for midwives from RCOG.gov.uk

‘’With regard to vertical transmission (transmission from mother to baby antenatally or intrapartum), emerging evidence now suggests that vertical transmission is probable,’’

On a practical note, I really cannot imagine the mass graves theory. I think we’d be more likely to see the construction (at various sites, up and down the country) of purpose built, industrial sized crematoria.