Boris in hospital

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Breaking news.

@ShootsFruitAndLeaves It massively affected sick and disabled people across London. It also had a knock-on affect. The current situation in Watford Hospital? The population in and around that area, outer London and the borders, has had a steady increase in population - people forced ou of inner London. That's one reason why services including hospitals are so under pressure. Perhaps it didn't impact on the rest of the country, in which case you could say the Coalition government was simply levelling the playing field.

Of course the Prime Minister warrants a hospital bed if he is potentially having breathing difficulties! Why on earth not? I have worked and read my way through some serious illness before.

We are being told that he is working. In reality, we don't know for sure what is actually happening. If what No. 10 is saying and what is actually happening were two different things then that would hardly be a first.

I am not a Boris Johnson fan. I don't like his politics. I wish him well though and don't begrudge him a hospital bed if a nasty and potentially deadly virus is currently getting the better of him. I'd rather he went to hospital than stayed in Downing Street until it was too late!

I don't understand this business of working when you are ill. If you are sick, you save your energy to get better. Decisions made when you are not functioning properly aren't likely to be sound decisions.

Darned that's interesting!

Re disabled claims.
I do have vague memories of dm being utterly appalled by questionnaires about dB disabilities... And issues she had with various things ( circa 2000)

Yes I totally darns its not just one party.

I'm remember hospitals being atrocious under labour.
It's a huge problem we need special non political teams looking into. Esp into Germany health system which is putting the rest of the world to shame right now. And... I'd like to know how they manage cross contamination issues eg patients coming in with suspect covid.. Where they are put...

The NHS is still repaying a huge amount towards the PPI initiatives put in place by labour. The SNP built a whopping great children's hospital that turned out at very last minute to be unusable. Many of the inefficiencies in the NHS system date from when it was set up and the compromises necessary to bring together masses of independent private money-making businesses that was the health service at the time. Most people don't realise that the majority of GP practices are still private money-making businesses that sell there services to the NHS just like other private companies do.

I'm remember hospitals being atrocious under labour

The one I worked in wasn’t. It was properly funded for the first time in two decades. Its only problem was recruiting enough nursing staff so it brought in a big cohort of Filipino nurses, many of whom are still there, almost 20 years later.

I have a long term condition. I remember under Labour having a flare up and visiting my GP. The next day a specialist nurse visited me at home and a week later I saw the consultant for weekly appointments for about 3 months.

A year ago same issue, visited GP. I was put on a long waiting list and finally managed to go and see a nurse after 2 months about it who made me monthly appointments to monitor it.

So whatever lies you tell I know that my experiences with the exact same medical issue, were worlds apart.

And I did not support PFI, but there is no doubt health service was way better under Labour.
Incidentally private healthcare was really struggling towards the end under Labour, as far less people were prepared to pay for it.

No 10 are hardly likely to give updates like “he’s on 10L of oxygen but seems to be tiring, Crit care outreach have seen him a few times and his ABG is still ok, though his BP is a bit saggy and his urine output is tailing off. The ICU Reg is just discussing with his consultant whether they trial him on CPAP or go straight for intubation”.

“He’s in good spirits” sounds to me like “he’s fucking sick but hopefully he won’t be tubed today”.

And yes, I doubt he has ever been responsible for his own FB posts. Not a chance he does it himself as PM.

It was properly funded for the first time in two decades

And PFI means that despite that being a time of economic growth, the NHS are still paying for the funding it received then now. Some NHS trusts have to spend a sixth of their current budgets on repaying this debt.

He’s in good spirits” sounds to me like “he’s fucking sick but hopefully he won’t be tubed today

Hopefully not. The survival rates for people tubed in the first 24 hours after admission are not great.

Raab hasn’t spoken to him since Saturday. He’s obviously quite ill.

How can he be closely advising Raab if they're not in contact since Saturday? It makes no sense.

I reckon TPTB can't make up their minds who should take up the reins. I thought Boris was supposed to be the Master Delegator - this is no time to go all Gordon Brown!

Peapod
How do you know he hasn’t talked to Raab for 2 days?

He said so in the press conference.

Raab admitted at the briefing, when pressed, that they hadn't spoken since Saturday. It's a bit ridiculous to be claiming he's still in charge if he hasn't spoken to his effective deputy for 2-3 days.

Raab didn’t lie though. The answer hung in the air ‘I haven’t spoken to him since Saturday’. Cut....

From a nurse on another forum

Healthcare experts - Boris is described as going into hospital for 'routine tests'. Is this bullshit cos it sounds like it to me. Surely if his symptoms warrant hospitalisation it's not routine tests, it's primary care he is after.

What is the first line of support? Is it possible to say or too dependent on actual symptoms?
He's going in because he'll be either having trouble breathing or becoming delirious.
First line will be blood tests, a CXR and a blood gas. He will probably get a chest CT because he's Special. Either that or the CXR will show that he has COVID-19 changes, and he will be given oxygen if he needs it. He (because he's special) will also probably be given an experimental treatment (or entered into a trial as the jury is still out on these).

If he needs O2 he's staying in.

The thing about this 'yeah, he's fit enough to still run the country' line is it's a massive insult to injury to those who've already died at home gasping for air after being told they weren't ill enough to be taken into hospital...also if there are so many ICU beds still available why are people being left at home suffering and to die?

Yes Vera. You can’t be well enough to to run the country but I’ll enough to be in hospital. They are obviously hoping he will make a very quick recovery and they will be able to avoid telling the public how ill he is. I hope they are right. I can see it backfiring if he doesn’t hand over the reigns soon though.

I agree with vera and peapod

Aye peapod it's a hope and a prayer at the moment - but the idea he's propped up in bed reading memos and barking order is a fiction to be sure. Probably worried about national morale. Or if he is saying anything - it will be who the fuck suggested Raab !

I also have a chronic (long term condition) that was treated frequently and efficiently under Labour. Not so under the Tories. Appointments have been cancelled every single time they are due (increasingly so over the last 10 years) - and I have to fight to get them back. So those that are defending the Tories re the NHS are telling lies.

Either Boris is really ill and is so egotistical or paranoid that he can't hand control over to anyone else.

Or it's all a big lie and he's not actually ill at all - they're just trying to scare us into 'behaving'.

@Polly02. Your paranoia is showing.