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Boris in hospital

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Cary2012 · 05/04/2020 21:14

Breaking news.

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prh47bridge · 06/04/2020 09:18

Lots of people on this thread using the retrospectoscope. As a former Chief Scientific Adviser said, it is the most powerful instrument known to man. We may now think that previous scientific advice was wrong but that does not mean the scientists or politicians should have known it was wrong at the time.

Kitchendoctor · 06/04/2020 09:18

Boris probably has a 50/50 chance now, even with the best care.

@ponchek

Where do you get that idea from? Based on current available data, around 20% of cases are severe, needing hospitalisation for oxygen support. A proportion of those will need ICU and ventilation - it is these patients who have a 50% survival rate.

Please don’t throw figures around without providing any evidence, people are alarmed enough about this as it is.

From the WHO report on their mission to China....

“Most people infected with COVID-19 virus have mild disease and recover. Approximately 80% of laboratory confirmed patients have had mild to moderate disease, which includes non-pneumonia and pneumonia cases, 13.8% have severe disease (dyspnea, respiratory frequency ≥30/minute, blood oxygen saturation ≤93%, PaO2/FiO2 ratio 50% of the lung field within 24-48 hours) and 6.1% are critical (respiratory failure, septic shock, and/or multiple organ dysfunction/failure). Asymptomatic infection has been reported, but the majority of the relatively rare cases who are asymptomatic on the date of identification/report went on to develop disease.*

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2020 09:20

Oxygen support isn’t ventilation. So yes agree let’s be careful with numbers.

BovaryX · 06/04/2020 09:23

^There are some totally uncalled for comments on here. The man is ill, possibly severely.
I started the thread to provide breaking information, not to provide a thread for some of you to vent, blame, gloat....I wish the man well, as I do all people who are unwell. A bit of compassion goes a long way, and uncalled for comments say far more about the poster, than they do the recipient^

Well said Cary2012 I hope he pulls through, not good news that he is in hospital. As others have said on another thread, it suggests that his condition is not manageable via doctors visiting him in Downing Street.

JoeExotic · 06/04/2020 09:27

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Boris in hospital
ilovemydogandMrObama · 06/04/2020 09:29

Lots of people on this thread using the retrospectoscope. As a former Chief Scientific Adviser said, it is the most powerful instrument known to man. We may now think that previous scientific advice was wrong but that does not mean the scientists or politicians should have known it was wrong at the time.

Absolutely, however my understanding is that Chris Whitty was involved in advising about Sars? I may that wrong, but what I don't fully understand is how the UK was relatively unaffected by Sars and Ebola?

Looking at Taiwan and South Korea to a certain extent, these countries were way more prepared, and has been commented that it had to do with their previous experience with Sars.

KonTikki · 06/04/2020 09:30

It's not good news that he is in hospital.
An interesting article in the Times this weekend.
If one still has a temperature after a week, that needs to be taken seriously. One reason can be that the immune system has gone into overdrive, and is attacking the bodily organs.
This can lead to severe complications, and respiratory problems.
I really do wish Boris all the best in his personal battle fighting the virus.

BigChocFrenzy · 06/04/2020 09:31

"Boris probably has a 50/50 chance now, even with the best care."

No, he's one of the 20% admitted to hospital

He may need oxygen, or is being monitored because doctors are worrried he might soon.
This would be a reasonable precaution for the leader of any country,
as deterioration can happen very suddenly with this godawful virus

That's very different to being on a ventilator, which we must hope doesn't happen

MyHipsDontLieUnfortunately · 06/04/2020 09:36

I think it's 50/50 once in ICU isn't it?

BovaryX · 06/04/2020 09:38

Ilovemydog
Taiwan reacted early, in January, border controls,
restricting travel from China, promoting the use of face masks. Its swift reaction predated guidelines from the WHO because after its grim experience of SARS, it was primed to mistrust official reports about the seriousness of another emerging virus.

edition.cnn.com/2020/04/04/asia/taiwan-coronavirus-response-who-intl-hnk/index.html

LadyEloise · 06/04/2020 09:39

Some weeks back I was surprised at the "herd immunity" policy taken up by the UK government compared to the lockdown in Ireland. Because Northern Ireland on the island of Ireland is ruled by the British government it was strange to have two different approaches to dealing with this appalling virus.
Think Cheltenham, Stereophonics concert, football matches all going ahead. Schools were still ope in NI but closed in the Republic.
I preferred the Irish approach.
Subsequently the UK followed up with a stricter approach, Imho it was a bit late.
All three of the UK officials, Boris Johnson, Dr.Chris Whitty and Matt Hancock have been affected by Covid19 to differing degree.
I hope Boris recovers soon.

zafferana · 06/04/2020 09:40

My neighbours, both of whom also had a moderate case of CV, felt like shit the second week they had it. The first week is mainly cough/temp and the second week is when the breathlessness becomes bad. Boris is our PM - he's going to more aggressive care than your standard member of Joe Public. I sincerely hope that this hospital admission is just precautionary and due to his importance as a national figure, rather than that he's seriously ill. He really needs to step back though and focus on his health.

MoiraRose · 06/04/2020 09:46

From a dubious source (Daily Mail) it says he's receiving oxygen. Doesn't sound good, hope he's hone soon

ravenmum · 06/04/2020 09:50

@ponchek I guess he didn't expect to be one of the loved ones that died That's what I thought when I heard him saying this on the intro to the Coronavirus Newscast this morning. Very sobering.

Can't help also remembering him announcing the lockdown and still trying to toady up to the people who didn't believe in it by half rolling his eyes in an "I know this is nonsense but we have to do it" way.

I think we'd all rather be back to the days of him appearing on Have I Got News For You as an amiable buffoon.

vera99 · 06/04/2020 09:51

George Osborne
@George_Osborne
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Here’s some basic truths: Boris wouldn’t be in hospital unless it was serious; Robert Jenrick, like almost everyone in the Cabinet, will have no more clue than anyone else about how well he’s doing; and anyone with any compassion will be wishing him a speedy recovery

Peregrina · 06/04/2020 09:53

I assumed that he's gone into hospital because he needs oxygen, not just to have a bit of a rest!

The trouble is, since they have consistently changed their stories since this outbreak happened, we don't know what to believe.

BovaryX · 06/04/2020 09:54

Here’s some basic truths: Boris wouldn’t be in hospital unless it was serious; Robert Jenrick, like almost everyone in the Cabinet, will have no more clue than anyone else about how well he’s doing; and anyone with any compassion will be wishing him a speedy recovery

I really hope he pulls through. His hospitalisation is indicative of the seriousness of his condition. Bloody awful.

Peregrina · 06/04/2020 10:01

Not often I agree with George Osborne....

TheMagiciansMewTwo · 06/04/2020 10:17

I think everyone with political and media connections knows that Boris is very ill. George isn't the only one to have commented. They're just not ready to make a public announcement about it yet.

vera99 · 06/04/2020 10:34

Why not tell the truth. People respect that rather than continuing to spin it like they so obviously are.

Tonyaster · 06/04/2020 10:38

God knows why the Duffy thread gets pulled but the comments on here are allowed to stand. Some of them are bloody awful.

Mummyoflittledragon · 06/04/2020 10:39

Peregrina
If he just needed oxygen, he could perhaps have been supplied with an oxygen generator. I imagine there are more obvs involved than that as a person can deteriorate fast from what we’ve seen on the tv. But let’s hope not. The country is in enough turmoil as is.

Leftlic
I am not simple minded enough to be lacking the capacity to wish someone well whilst simultaneously being angered by their actions. How can you possibly profess to know what a stranger on the other end of a keyboard thinks?

PieceOfMaria · 06/04/2020 11:10

I was looking for that Duffy thread @Tonyaster do you know why it was pulled?

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 06/04/2020 11:26

a result of thirty years of mismanagement and underfunding from both main parties
Why peddle this bollocks?
The NHS is on its knees because of tory austerity - like all our public services.
You tories are so slippery with your re-writing of history and peddling lies.
This shitshow (and the Brexit one) is all on the tories. And when this is over, I hope that there is an inquiry into all the deaths.

And the reason why people preface any good wishes for Johnson with the fact that they are not tories is that, like me, they would likely be mortified if anyone (even strangers) thought they voted tory - shudder.

MrsFezziwig · 06/04/2020 11:26

I've felt quite sorry for him alone in the house after Carrie moved out

Better be feeling sorry for thousands of us then, because that is how we are currently living.