It would be a terrible, terrible mistake to ban exercise outside

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Domestic violence has already increased, and whilst I know some people have been ignoring the rules the majority are abiding by them. The knock on effects for people’s mental health and the safety of women and children inside the home would be terrible.
It would be such an infringement of people’s liberty and terrible for the mental and physical health of so many people.
Imagine being stuck indoors all day with young children in a flat with no outside space.
This idea worries me more than anything else about the current crisis. I hope so much that it doesn’t happen. I feel like it’s almost like a reaction in anger because not everyone will do what they’re told: like a smack.

I do exercise indoors. I also go.out for a run.once a a day. It's nowhere near my usual amount, if exercise and I hate it. My house is tiny, so anything involving jumps is out, as is anything involving stretching. There are usually people in the way too. Exercising indoors is nowhere near as good as proper exercise if you're used to being active.

Some people are very rude about other people. There is no need to call people twats or swear. You can have an intelligent and grown up debate without name calling.
The people who were apparently driving to isolated spots to walk the dog... not within the current rules so they shouldn’t do it (although actually probably quite harmless). BUT they are not twats, and there is no need to keep saying ffs about people unless you have led an absolutely exemplary and saint like life yourself (unlikely since you call other people names and generally seem to like being aggressive and rude).
You never know people’s circumstances, and although they should not be breaking the rules for all you know those people may have had a stillborn baby the week before, had a cancer diagnosis, lost a relative... they are not necessarily ‘selfish twats’. They may be people in dire situations. But STILL they should abide by the rules.
As most people are doing.
People having picnics in groups in parks: definitely not allowed and increasing risk of transmission.
Transmission risk from either of these things compared to say travelling to work on the bus because you’re a key worker, going to the supermarket repeatedly and unnecessarily... still probably small. But important to stick to the rules nonetheless.
The main things that will prevent widespread transmission from now on is enforcing the current social distancing measures.
Staying inside all day every day, unless in a shielded group is not required though. Daily exercise good. Getting out of the house is important.
All children should be outside daily. And all people should have access to outdoor exercise daily. They don’t have to do it, but it should not be removed.

1.5 million are in the shielded group, not millions, They can still take exercise, but they are being advised not to go outside.

How can they exercise if they can't go outside?

Cohle but coughing and sneezing breaches other guidance: either going out of the home whilst Appomattox and/or not using a handkerchief/ crook of your elbow.

Again appalling in a supermarket setting but barely any effect in the open space of a park.

Also worse if the cougher is walking past many people, not sitting (sunbathing?) alone on the grass.

Just start arresting people. If they clamp down further on those sticking to the rules already, there will be civil unrest.

*Appomattox = symptomatic (stupid phone)

We are not seeing a fast reduction because the government allowed Cheltenham to go ahead not because of a few idiots floating the exersise rules.

Your Great Grandparents were called to War.

You're being asked to sit on the couch.

You can do this.

Also worse if the cougher is walking past many people, not sitting (sunbathing?) alone on the grass.

Seriously,how did you arrive at this conclusion?

You go to the park and start sunbathing. Someone comes along and sits down coughing and sneezing all around you. How can that be less risky than you walking past them?

Plus, they've just coughed all over your possessions that you'll then be carrying home

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras They do the best they can in their house. Watch an exercise video on youtube? I am not saying it is ideal, but this is not a lifestyle choice. It is about trying to stay alive until this is all over.
I am in the shielded group. I haven't left my house for 3 weeks, because stopping my kids not having a mum is more important than my short term fitness levels.

I am just wondering how many of those insisting they must go out for exercise used to to go out for exercise before the virus struck?

Maybe 100%? Maybe not so much......

It makes me feel so claustrophobic, thinking of this- but I do get why it's necessary. I live in a seaside town in Wales, and we're getting absolutely loads of people still arriving to their second homes, socialising, ignoring all social distancing rules. The locals are terrified. I'm stunned when I see the photos of deserted cities, because it is very, very far removed from what I'm seeing through my window.

They are so fucking selfish Auda. nice again - the wealthy afflict the rest with their entitlement.

I also note that banning leaving your home to exercise affects the poorest the worst.

Again! But who cares about them? They should have inherited money like most of our government have done. It was short-sighted of them to be born to poor parents, and get rubbish jobs. They should have made better choices.

It would be better to get heavy with those who flout the rules. Arrest them and hit where it hurts in the pocket. Why not start at £1-500 fines and work upwards?

I think fines should be scaled to income. A £50 fine hits a minimum wage worker much more than it does an accountant.

but coughing and sneezing breaches other guidance: either going out of the home whilst Appomattox

You're actually allowed out of the house to exercise whilst symptomatic currently.

The fact that people are seriously trying to defend sunbathing as an essential activity just shows that the message hasn't sunk in.

@schadenfraude I am so sorry to hear that. It is actually very quiet in the suburbs where I live. Maybe they are all places like yours?

You're being asked to sit on the couch

We shouldn’t just be sitting on the couch though. We need to stay as active as we can, mostly within the home (and garden if we are lucky enough), and look after ourselves which in turn helps protect the NHS. The rules say a trip out to exercise is fine as part of the looking after ourselves

Your child could die alone, desperate for air, miles away from you.
That sounds alarmist

Because it is. Different rules apply for children in hospital.

I think when the govt made the original statement re lockdown they should have stated that the majority of your exercise should be taken in your garden if possible. Those with no garden could be allowed out. I know someone who has an acre garden and could walk round and round it for miles. But no, their “daily exercise” is taken in a park. Why?????

Name changed. I'm in a violent abusive relationship. Living in a tiny flat with no outside space. It's horrible. I'm also in one of the vulnerable groups to Covid. I'm sure many other DV victims, adult or child, are the same. DV and/or poverty often goes hand in hand with poor health. So actually ending lockdown puts our lives at as much if not more risk. All an abuser would have to do is go out, perhaps to a pub, then come back either violent or infected with Covid. It's good that people are concerned however. Hopefully going forwards they'll be better funding and improved housing options for victims. Before Covid services were struggling. It's very hard to leave for victims to leave for many complicated reasons but the poor housing options is a major one.

Same goes for poverty even without DV. The virus is more widespread in large cities where many poorer people are living in overcrowded poor quality housing. Putting them at increased risk of catching it. People in bad housing and in poverty are far more likely to have health issues, and so will be at higher risk from the virus.

Lockdown is awful with an abuser but really so is life much of the time. Likewise poverty and/or poor housing. Instead of calling for a premature end to lockdown, if you're concerned please help support DV services and campaigns. And there should be a crackdown on the rule breakers so everyone else can still have a daily walk.

But biologyisreal. Why does this matter? People are making positive health changes within the current social distancing rules. Good!
It’s mean to make people feel ashamed for trying to get fit. Long term it’s a change everyone should make if they are able to.

They do the best they can in their house. Watch an exercise video on youtube

Exactly. So there is no need to go outside to exercise is there? There is a want

The government should not ban exercise outdoors, which would punish the responsible 99% for the actions of the 1% of morons.What they should do is increase the fines for ignoring social distancing rules to at least £100 and start enforcing the rules properly

Totally agree with this. I need to get out and for my daily walk. I go alone. I walk around quiet residential streets and rarely meet anyone - if I do, I cross the road. I am not putting anyone at risk. It would be hugely unfair - and damaging to my mental health - to forbid leaving the house.

Rather than punishing the overwhelming majority who are doing as they are told, the police should be coming down like a ton of bricks on those who aren't.

BUT they are not twats, and there is no need to keep saying ffs about people unless you have led an absolutely exemplary and saint like life yourself (unlikely since you call other people names and generally seem to like being aggressive and rude)

It seems strange to support anyone spreading the virus so long as they’re polite? I’d feel much safer with non-spreaders who are sweary, what a stupid thing to say.

Anyone who comes to our valley gets videoed as the Lakes are out of control and we’ve had more deaths this week. The police are out on their bikes FYI...

Fully support anyone who lives in a flat having some free pass to access parks etc, no one should be made to be locked indoors indefinitely. I think if we had an end in sight it might be easier

@BiologyIsReal
How many are people who need to get their children out of the house before their partner becomes a serious danger. How many are people who’s child is an addict. These people used to have work, school, friends, cafes. Maybe they always used the outdoor space as their safe space.
We can’t judge people going out as some, probably more than you realise, really need to be outside even if it is just for an hour.
We need to stop the congregating of groups, of people not observing the rules now in place. Not make stricter rules that will cause more deaths.
One of our clients was killed last week.

Other than shielded group I mean, sorry I should have included that

The 13 year old did die alone and their parents were not allowed to be with them.